Rethink of Dcs World and Maps

[rajdary]

I was just thinking that it would be more logical for DCS WORLD to be bundled with a free TF51,SU25 and the NTTR Map (instead of Caucasus). Its true that it wouldnt make sense for Russian planes, but Caucasus doesnt make sense for Western planes and right now there is more western planes and even more to come if you look at the different roadmaps of 3rd parties.

 

Anyway this would give the oportunity for ED to really expand on Caucasus map by adding Crimea,Ukraine, parts of eastern Europe, Turkey, Armenia and Azerbayan and this way make it a really interesting, large and multinational map. It makes more sense to give a map like NTTR for free and to make Caucasus a Dlc.

 

How to solve the problem for people who bought NTTR?

 

Simply by swaping licenses, when DCSW 2.5 comes out bundled with NTTR, all the NTTR licenses automatically become CAUCASUS licenses. People who wouldnt upgrade to 2.5 would simply be left behind with updates.

 

Just an idea, i just think the Caucasus Map is very intresting and hasnt been taken full advantage of, keeping in mind that we could have eastern Europe in it, Ukraine,Turkey, Armenia, Azerbajan,Crimea and even Chechenia region which are all very good points for realistic campaigns.

Edited September 28, 2016 by rajdary

[SkateZilla]

This has already been discussed on the forums, and not likely to happen.

[Drexx]

Maps need to be free, this just segregates the already small player base of DCS... (maybe make it free to those who have x hours, x money spent in store, a way to earn it) - or just flat out make the map cheap. As a mission designer/ script writer, 1 map is already driving me nutzs and I have been at it since july, not a long time

[Silver_Dragon]

Swamping licenses? surely the actual owners of A-10C / NTTR can be very angry.

Caucasus have a good "free" theatre to start.

 

Actually, the Caucasus has no active "plan" to extend (only a rumour not confirmed about crimea, now has only a update to put them at level of NTTR / Hormuz / WW2. To that big quantity of countries you need stop the present and in progress incoming theatres to reach them (and need a couple of years of develop time).

[rajdary]

This has already been discussed on the forums, and not likely to happen.

 

Ah ok, never saw that thread. Do you know if its still around?

[rajdary]

Maps need to be free, this just segregates the already small player base of DCS... (maybe make it free to those who have x hours, x money spent in store, a way to earn it) - or just flat out make the map cheap. As a mission designer/ script writer, 1 map is already driving me nutzs and I have been at it since july, not a long time

 

Its difficult for maps to be free, precisely because such a small comunity compared to others, they have to get paid for what they produce, they dont live of advertisments.

Edited September 28, 2016 by rajdary

[rajdary]

Swamping licenses? surely the actual owners of A-10C / NTTR can be very angry.

Caucasus have a good "free" theatre to start.

 

No, its the contrary, they would be very happy cause they would get the NTTR as part of DCSW and then their license when they bought the A10C bundled with NTTR would change to give them the A10C bundled with a new, bigger, better and expanded Caucasus.

[NineLine]

Maps can be as much, possibly even more, work than an aircraft module. I dont for see them giving away maps anytime soon.

[lmp]

What about missions, campaigns? Let's say I bought the Mi-8, but not the NTTR map. I download the update that changes my free map to NTTR and I can't finish the Mi-8 campaign without paying for the Caucasus map - I'm an angry customer. It's even worse if I paid specifically for a DLC campaign that I can no longer use.

 

Also, consider that the Caucasus map is more diverse. I can't fly my Su-33 off an aircraft carrier on the NTTR map. Or use the RSBN set in my L-39.

Edited September 29, 2016 by lmp

[rajdary]

What about missions, campaigns? Let's say I bought the Mi-8, but not the NTTR map. I download the update that changes my free map to NTTR and I can't finish the Mi-8 campaign without paying for the Caucasus map - I'm an angry customer. It's even worse if I paid specifically for a DLC campaign that I can no longer use.

 

Also, consider that the Caucasus map is more diverse. I can't fly my Su-33 off an aircraft carrier on the NTTR map. Or use the RSBN set in my L-39.

 

True, there are going to be inconveniences, there always are. In the first place NTTR would have its own Mi-8 campaign, and if you wished to finish your Mi-8 Caucasus pre 2.5 Campaign, you simply dont upgrade untill you finish it.

 

Paid DLC Campaigns obviously could be finished not upgrading but then something would have to be thought for 2.5, which is not worth the time to solve this problem because the interest in this idea is zero.

 

About the Aircraft carrier, dont rule out that NTTR wont be having some Sea in the future and about the RSBN, Im sorry but i dont know what you mean.

 

Anyway i repeat that when there is interest and will most things have a solution and vice versa. In this case, there is no interest, so thanks for your opinion, you have good points, i suppose these are the advantages of a forum, different ideas and points of view:)

[Gierasimov]

Should NOT be free at all

 

(...)

 

Anyway this would give the oportunity for ED to really expand on Caucasus map by adding Crimea,Ukraine, parts of eastern Europe, Turkey, Armenia and Azerbayan and this way make it a really interesting, large and multinational map. It makes more sense to give a map like NTTR for free and to make Caucasus a Dlc. (...)

 

I mean no disrespect, but it looks like you simply don't understand the complexity, work involved and resources needed in map creation process.

 

About the stuff for free --

 

I appreciate ED opted in to offer Caucasus, Su and P as a free "demo" items, but I think that ED deserves even more, they should not offer anything for free to be honest.

 

Also I don't agree that it makes no sense for "western"aircraft in Caucasus...

 

I personally don't care about the effect on the user base. This is a sim. Not arcade (despite game mode option) or World of Whatever type of online for masses game. Having said that, people who are into flight sims are mostly pros who expect the top notch realism and authenticity - this is what simulation is about.

Edited September 30, 2016 by Gierasimov

[Silver_Dragon]

True, there are going to be inconveniences, there always are. In the first place NTTR would have its own Mi-8 campaign, and if you wished to finish your Mi-8 Caucasus pre 2.5 Campaign, you simply dont upgrade untill you finish it.

 

Paid DLC Campaigns obviously could be finished not upgrading but then something would have to be thought for 2.5, which is not worth the time to solve this problem because the interest in this idea is zero.

 

About the Aircraft carrier, dont rule out that NTTR wont be having some Sea in the future and about the RSBN, Im sorry but i dont know what you mean.

 

Anyway i repeat that when there is interest and will most things have a solution and vice versa. In this case, there is no interest, so thanks for your opinion, you have good points, i suppose these are the advantages of a forum, different ideas and points of view:)

 

Rajdary, ED has our plans about 2.5. Actually change a theatre by other has a develop "nightmare" with the DRM and serial Numbers (an a very angry community). ED has a russian company, surely dont like the russian market put in your office on Moscow with torches and pick-fords requesting a explanation.

 

NTTR has actually none plans to get a coastline meanwhile wags or other ED member put them into DCS: W Friday news or other develop update. The "future" carrier theatre has Hormuz, not NTTR. NTTR only was maked with intention of training, not simulate war sceneries, for that Caucasus has more plausible.

 

RSBN has the one of main navigation system on the russian aircraft's (L-39, Mig-21bis, etc). You cant force them to us only on a purchase module by a NTTR map with that navigation system has nonexistent.

 

If you not update your version, you can be with a no connection issue with the multiplayer server if the proper version only work on a specific developing version, surely that can dont like to the community.

[discwalker]

I'm welcome any plus airfield. I remember the old good Kerch-Bagerovo in East-Crimea with its 110m altitude ASL (361ft)

[rajdary]

I mean no disrespect, but it looks like you simply don't understand the complexity, work involved and resources needed in map creation process.

 

About the stuff for free --

 

I appreciate ED opted in to offer Caucasus, Su and P as a free "demo" items, but I think that ED deserves even more, they should not offer anything for free to be honest.

 

Also I don't agree that it makes no sense for "western"aircraft in Caucasus...

 

I personally don't care about the effect on the user base. This is a sim. Not arcade (despite game mode option) or World of Whatever type of online for masses game. Having said that, people who are into flight sims are mostly pros who expect the top notch realism and authenticity - this is what simulation is about.

 

Well, i wasnt actually thinking in terms of Free maps, i was thinking more in terms of an investment in the long run, they make DCSW as it is now but instead of Caucasus , they put NTTR which is much more up to date and quality is superior but map size and possibilities is inferior.

Then they work on expanding and improving Caucausus and they sell it.

 

Its more like Hewlett Packard Printers type of buissness model, you buy an excellent top notch model of printer for 89€ and then spend 39€ in each of the four cartridges of ink that it needs.

 

I insist its my point of view and obviously i can be insanely wrong but Caucasus is in its actual state very inferior to NTTR in terms of graphic quality and other but a much better map for Campaigns and Missions and even better if its expanded and improved.

[Gierasimov]

Keep in mind Caucasus map is being updated to the same graphical engine that Nevada uses right now, additionally NTTR is going to be updated with bunch of hi-res airbases, Tonopah range and civil airports. While they are also working on Strait of Hormuz I don't see a point of expanding on Caucasus, I would want expect to focus on the current pipeline to deliver what is already in progress.

There are more campaign modules for Caucasus than for Nevada so swapping this around would be a hassle without real justification.

[rajdary]

Keep in mind Caucasus map is being updated to the same graphical engine that Nevada uses right now

 

Exactly, thats what made me think of this whole thing. Now that they have done all those improvements which are good enough, they are giving it for free.:cry:

[rajdary]

Rajdary, ED has our plans about 2.5. Actually change a theatre by other has a develop "nightmare" with the DRM and serial Numbers (an a very angry community). ED has a russian company, surely dont like the russian market put in your office on Moscow with torches and pick-fords requesting a explanation.

 

NTTR has actually none plans to get a coastline meanwhile wags or other ED member put them into DCS: W Friday news or other develop update. The "future" carrier theatre has Hormuz, not NTTR. NTTR only was maked with intention of training, not simulate war sceneries, for that Caucasus has more plausible.

 

RSBN has the one of main navigation system on the russian aircraft's (L-39, Mig-21bis, etc). You cant force them to us only on a purchase module by a NTTR map with that navigation system has nonexistent.

 

If you not update your version, you can be with a no connection issue with the multiplayer server if the proper version only work on a specific developing version, surely that can dont like to the community.

 

Hi Silver Dragon, i dont think anyone is going to be unhappy if you make it a win win situation. ED will benefit from being able to sell an ideal multinational and large map with many nations and cities with the detail of NTTR or Hormuz and all newcomers would benefit of a high quality map like NTTR, then if they want more they have to go and get "39€ printer Cartridges".

NTTR will never offer the possibilities of a map like Caucasus, that is the reason i think why NTTR should be packed in the bundle and Caucasus expanded and brought to actual high quality and then sold.

Edited October 1, 2016 by rajdary

[Silver_Dragon]

Rakdary. Talk with ED members, surely that can explain better your decisions.

 

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