D4n Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 The R is a flying concrete block. The 530D is light years faster. Which is because the 530D is a FAAAR newer missile (I guess?)? DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
M0ltar Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Depending on if the target makes hard turns (missile will turn left right which slows the missile acceleration a lot) or if target flies straight. That's the problem. In DCS it seems the R-27R doesn't get "smart" guidance, which would limit the control fins angles until it gets within 0.5 or 1nm of target... -.- None of the missiles in DCS have decent guidance. What I am talking about is the TTL for the R. It is way to short. It runs out of juice way too early. The are against non-maneuvering targets that are relatively close in a low aspect chase. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th Aggressors TS DCSWorldEvents Twitch Splash One Gaming Splash One Gaming Discord The Merge SATAL
M0ltar Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Which is because the 530D is a FAAAR newer missile (I guess?)? Its really not. Both missiles were released in the mid to late 80s. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th Aggressors TS DCSWorldEvents Twitch Splash One Gaming Splash One Gaming Discord The Merge SATAL
D4n Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 TTL? DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
D4n Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Hm then the french build a way beter rocket engine into the 530D than the russians in the R-27 ? Also, AIM-120C has super guidance, no hard turns (until short before target I think?), just really fast acceleration... DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
Manzanita Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 He shot down a friendly helicopter that was on an important run for no apparent reason, I would consider sending out a fighter to make sure it didn't happen again prudence. Wow it's almost as if Huey's were suddenly added to RED and the SOP hasn't been updated. I would consider not getting so lana (say it backwards) about an accident especially during a testing round. The R is a flying concrete block. The 530D is light years faster. To be fair, all DCS BVR vanilla missiles need a rework. I think 530's perform as they should, also keep in mind they can only carry two.
D4n Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 McFlurry please get in Teamspeak! DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
M0ltar Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Wow it's almost as if Huey's were suddenly added to RED and the SOP hasn't been updated. I would consider not getting so lana (say it backwards) about an accident especially during a testing round Wow! and its almost like your plane has IFF. If you would have done your due diligence you could have IFF'd the darn thing and seen it was friendly. Stop trying to come up with excuses for fratricide. Also, you were the one that brought this whole incident up with you saying people were trying to team kill you. Right after you shot down the Huey I got gunned by a friendly Su25. It happens. You don't see me complaining about it. Just because people were unhappy with you does not mean that they were the ones that killed you. Just let it be and move on. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th Aggressors TS DCSWorldEvents Twitch Splash One Gaming Splash One Gaming Discord The Merge SATAL
M0ltar Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Hm then the french build a way beter rocket engine into the 530D than the russians in the R-27 ? Also, AIM-120C has super guidance, no hard turns (until short before target I think?), just really fast acceleration... I don't know enough about the 530D to know how it is supposed to be performing, so I cant comment on that. The proper one to compare it to though is no the R, but the ER. The R came out well before the ER came out. The 530D and ER are from the same era I believe. I would not really compare the 120 to the ER either. The proper one to compare that to would be the R77 which red does not get. The 120 is also, like all the other missiles in the game, not working correctly. As soon as you launch it it goes pure pursuit which is not what it is supposed to do, but is what it does in DCS. The missiles IRL should have a much longer range than what we get in the sim. This is mainly due to the missiles flight behavior. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th Aggressors TS DCSWorldEvents Twitch Splash One Gaming Splash One Gaming Discord The Merge SATAL
Enzo Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 The MI-8 should be on blue untill we get a western helicopter that also does a 160 knots. having one side have a 160 knot helicopter and the other having a 90 knot helicopter is ridiculous at best.
Manzanita Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Wow! and its almost like your plane has IFF. If you would have done your due diligence you could have IFF'd the darn thing and seen it was friendly. Stop trying to come up with excuses for fratricide. Sorry for assuming all Huey's were BLUE. (As they have always been). IFF was out of question since he was grounded and couldn't get a lock but that's just another excuse. :) Also, you were the one that brought this whole incident up with you saying people were trying to team kill you. Because your RvE buddy literally said he would and funnily enough I got shot right after by someone in friendly territory? Right after you shot down the Huey I got gunned by a friendly Su25. It happens. You don't see me complaining about it. Just let it be and move on. I'm not, my original post was more making the point why having kill-messages re-enabled is important. Seems because I mentioned RvE, you and your boys have mounted the defensive. Wouldn't be the first time. 1
D4n Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 The 120 is also, like all the other missiles in the game, not working correctly. As soon as you launch it it goes pure pursuit which is not what it is supposed to do, but is what it does in DCS. The missiles IRL should have a much longer range than what we get in the sim. This is mainly due to the missiles flight behavior. I thought the 120C got an overhaul some years ago and now does behave correct? Also, ALL DCS missiles do proportional navigation (calculate intercept point continuously, with a lot of data it seems, speed, altitude, heading of target, and same values of the missile o_O afaik) no missile in DCS does pure pursuit, fyi ;) (afaik) DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
D4n Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 The MI-8 should be on blue untill we get a western helicopter that also does a 160 knots. having one side have a 160 knot helicopter and the other having a 90 knot helicopter is ridiculous at best. And that's why both teams have both helis. (or am I wrong?) DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
D4n Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Kill messages would be ONLY needed DELAYED (30-60 seconds for example), or even ONLY teamkill messages. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
Enzo Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 And that's why both teams have both helis. (or am I wrong?) You right, Just saw somebody asking why Blue had the MI-8.
D4n Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 You right, Just saw somebody asking why Blue had the MI-8. LOLLL not everyone is a rich genius and can afford to both buy and learn BOTH choppers... o_O DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 4060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
Cisco Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 The 120C's have incorrect flight dynaics IIRC. If you fox 3 at long distance they dont try to save energy and when they are fired at a steep off bore angle at medium ideal range they loose alot of energy fast because the top priority for the missile is to get on target super fast instead of taking it slow. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Oceandar Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 LOLLL not everyone is a rich genius and can afford to both buy and learn BOTH choppers... o_O Right now yeah it need more money to buy them both but not before in few years ago with discount up to 60% ? I guess I'm just unlucky to be back late to DCS after long absen. Now I won't be bothered to buy them with the current price. I'm saving for the Tomcat & Hornet. Sorry for OT and feel free to delete if it need be. Just need a vent :D Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself is true power. - Lao Tze
OnlyforDCS Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 People please don't turn this into another missile perfomance thread. Back on topic: Like someone already suggested, why not give the Flankers back their datalink? It seems that the human controlled GCI works really well for BLUE, and since that sort of cooperation is mostly absent or non-existant for RED this sounds like a really good idea to balance things out a bit. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
Bersagliere81 Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Hi guys, is there a site/pdf where I can get details on how the blueflag/buddyspike works? I have found some pdf's on buddyspike site, but they are not working. Last night I bombed one of my comm tower, but it was supposed to be an enemy's one :D | A-10C | MiG-21bis | Hawk T1.A | L-39 Albatros | F-5E | Ka-50 | Mi-8 | NTTR | CA | SU27 | M2000C | F-86F | AV-8B | F/A-18C | Mig 15 | Mig 19| Specs Intel i7-9700k msi GTX 2060 Gaming Z msi Z390 Gaming PLUS 16gb RAM Hotas Warthog
OperatorJack Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 People please don't turn this into another missile perfomance thread. Back on topic: Like someone already suggested, why not give the Flankers back their datalink? It seems that the human controlled GCI works really well for BLUE, and since that sort of cooperation is mostly absent or non-existant for RED this sounds like a really good idea to balance things out a bit. +1 Can we also have the D2M for the Mirage disabled? Hi guys, is there a site/pdf where I can get details on how the blueflag/buddyspike works? I have found some pdf's on buddyspike site, but they are not working. Last night I bombed one of my comm tower, but it was supposed to be an enemy's one :D http://gadget.buddyspike.net/ Check on here for status of objectives then just do what you like really /да бойз/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Bersagliere81 Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 http://gadget.buddyspike.net/ Check on here for status of objectives then just do what you like really Thank you but I was looking for something more detailed if there is something. For example when you can conquer sites, what can helicopters carry... | A-10C | MiG-21bis | Hawk T1.A | L-39 Albatros | F-5E | Ka-50 | Mi-8 | NTTR | CA | SU27 | M2000C | F-86F | AV-8B | F/A-18C | Mig 15 | Mig 19| Specs Intel i7-9700k msi GTX 2060 Gaming Z msi Z390 Gaming PLUS 16gb RAM Hotas Warthog
Frostie Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 People please don't turn this into another missile perfomance thread. Back on topic: Like someone already suggested, why not give the Flankers back their datalink? It seems that the human controlled GCI works really well for BLUE, and since that sort of cooperation is mostly absent or non-existant for RED this sounds like a really good idea to balance things out a bit. This is a great idea and era suited. The 27ER is a late 80s missile the same as the 530D but for example the 33 can carry 8 of them, i've flown the 33 on BS and it is pretty much easy mode if flown in an equal numbered environment. The AIM-120C5 is a 21st century missile plus the F-15 datalink is a 21st century inclusion, so there are options here to weigh the Russian fighters in with a bit of usefulness. I'd suggest adding datalink this way it gets era specific equipment. Unfortunately the MiG29 will still be stuck at the bottom of the food chain. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
OperatorJack Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Thank you but I was looking for something more detailed if there is something. For example when you can conquer sites, what can helicopters carry... You can carry infantry squads, mortar teams, MANPADS teams. If I remember correctly these can capture enemy bases after they're knocked out. Helos can also deploy KUB sites, EWRs and take supply crates of fuel and repair supplies between bases to fix them as needed. /да бойз/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
QuiGon Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Hi guys, is there a site/pdf where I can get details on how the blueflag/buddyspike works? I have found some pdf's on buddyspike site, but they are not working. Last night I bombed one of my comm tower, but it was supposed to be an enemy's one :D You're right. The link to the BluFlag guide is dead: http://www.foinikas.org/ftp/public/DCS_World/Briefings/Buddy%20Spike/SOP%20OPERATION%20BLUE%20FLAG.pdf It would be nice, if it can get fixed :) Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
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