Manual typos/mistakes

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Pg.109, I think primmer hand-pump (engine primer pump in RAF pilot's notes) is mistakenly named "wobble pump", in both headline and pic description, while text is correct. Wobble pump should be the right hand one named "fuel hand pump" in Pg.122? As description in Pg.80, definitely it should be.

 

 

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Edited December 17, 2016 by Ala13_ManOWar

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Pg.104, turn & bank indicator picture is pointed towards compass.

 

 

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[Ala13_ManOWar]

A question, more than mistake, I think. Could somebody point me out what "escord" is?

 

 

Taxiing on soft ground without an escord on the tail of the aircraft is prohibited.

 

 

I know what manual means, I've seen those pics on Spits taxiing with mechanics sitting in tail as weight, but the word "escord" isn't in any dictionary I have consulted, and google throws all kind of weird results you can guess :lol: :lol: :lol:.

 

 

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[Art-J]

In both full and quickstart manual engine warmup sections, the very first screen has the stop valve lever highlighted, while the text describes pulling back the throttle lever.

 

I also won't hesitate to point out, that the correct plural form of "aircraft" is still "aircraft" (photo on page 21) :D.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

I also won't hesitate to point out, that the correct plural form of "aircraft" is still "aircraft" (photo on page 21) :D.

Good point, I didn't notice :lol: :thumbup:.

 

 

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[Sokol1_br]

A question, more than mistake, I think. Could somebody point me out what "escord" is?

 

In Russian version of manual is used сопровождающего ~ accompanying.

 

Probable the translator want mean "escort", or Margaret Horton. :)

 

http://www.rocassoc.org/open/items/12/horton.html

 

Seems that beyond M.Horton and Luthier's "Spit Girl", more people take a hide on Spit: Stanley Dickerson: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19440107.2.13

Edited December 17, 2016 by Sokol1_br

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Probable the translator want mean "escort", or Margaret Horton. :)

LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:.

 

Guess a typo :thumbup:, I was flipped over thinking of a technical word.

 

 

S!

[Rotorhead]

Page 107 talks about "LED illumination" on the gear indicator. I'm pretty certain there were no LEDs used during WWII...

[Groove]

Thanks guys, we will incorporate your input and fix the issues.

[Alicatt]

Page 27:

Reads Basic Informations should be Basic Information

 

Page 28:

The word Visor is not used in this instance, should be replaced with windscreen, glass, or plexiglass.

 

Reads and behind it, two gas tanks separated by a fireproof bulkhead. Should be and behind it, two fuel tanks separated by a fireproof bulkhead.

 

Reads The pilot flew the plane by a so-called "Spade-type" control stick (with a gimballed upper section) and rudder pedals. English pedals were "two-stage." Should read The pilot flew the plane by a so-called "Spade-type" control stick (with a gimballed upper section) and rudder pedals. British pedals were "two-stage."

 

Page29:

Reads In the Soviet Union, imported fuel was used, or in its absence, 88 octave leaded petrol 4B-70. Is the fuel quality used in Russia referred to as Octave? If not it should read Octane

 

Page 30:

Reads 410 liters had the form of a trough and lied close to the lower wing centersection

Should read 410 liters had the form of a trough and lay close to the lower wing centre section

 

Reads The main landing gears should read The main landing gear

 

Reads Network voltage is equal to 12W 12W is a measure of power not of voltage, should read Network voltage is equal to 12V or Network voltage is 12V (better term would be Buss voltage is 12V)

 

Reads The English gas system should read British gas system but then you would get it confused with British Gas which is a utility provider in the UK ;)

 

I will continue tomorrow.

[Groove]

Thanks Alicatt, corrected.

[Pikey]

I noticed a lot of British missing in lieu of English. Lucky that my Scottish wife doesnt fly...

[Art-J]

Page 27:

 

Reads 410 liters had the form of a trough and lied close to the lower wing centersection

Should read 410 liters had the form of a trough and lay close to the lower wing centre section

 

 

I'd say the past form of lay is laid, isn't it? We don't want to replace one mistake with another :D.

Edited December 18, 2016 by Art-J

[Redglyph]

pg. 133-134, isn't the sequence as follows? (AP 1565I Pilot's Notes for Spitfire IX,XI & XVI)

- switch ON both ignitions

- press starter and booster coil buttons

- when the engine fires, release the starter button, keeping the booster coil button depressed and priming if required, until the engine is running smoothly

 

Probably more complex to handle.

 

 

pg. 136, last paragraph, isn't 15°C the temperature the oil should reach at this stage, instead of 20°C? Even if that sounds very low.

 

 

pg. 137, last paragraph, "Operation of the propeller regulator. To do so, move the pitch lever from its frontmost position to the rear position, reducing the RPM to 250-300." I don't think the RPM should be so low ;)

 

 

Other, the usage of the fuel pump is not mentioned in the pre-check or start-up, or did I miss it? I must admit I'm a bit confused about this one.

[Redglyph]

I'd say the past form of lay is laid, isn't it? We don't want to replace one mistake with another :D.

 

Aren't those two lay/lie the most confusing and hated irregular verbs of all times? :D

[Sokol1_br]

Other, the usage of the fuel pump is not mentioned in the pre-check or start-up, or did I miss it? I must admit I'm a bit confused about this one.

 

Fuel pump use (PN pag 19).

 

36. Starting the engine and warming up (Aircraft with Merlin 66, 70 or 266 engines)

...

 

Switch ON the main tanks booster pump for 30 seconds (or operate the hand wobble pump for that period) then switch it OFF and set the idle cut-off control forward to the RUN position.

 

Game manual instruct use the wobble pump, see page 16 (Quickstart) or 132 in full.

Edited December 18, 2016 by Sokol1_br

[Redglyph]

Fuel pump use (PN pag 19).

 

 

 

Game manual instruct use the wobble pump, see page 16 (Quickstart) or 132 in full.

 

Hm, I see no description of the fuel pump usage pg. 19, or do you mean the Pilot's Notes and not the DCS manual? There are mentions of it in the latter, but just that it exists.

 

I don't think the wobble pump and the fuel pump are the same. There are two configurations: the wobble pump vs the booster pump, it seems we get the wobble pump variant. In the booster pump variant, there is a fuel pump after the filter and to the carburator, and a booster pump at the outlet of the lower tank. In the other, there is a wobble pump and a fuel pump.

 

What you describe is the use of the wobble pump, I'm talking about the fuel pump.

[Sokol1_br]

The quote mentioning page 19 is from Mk.IX Pilot Notes (Zeno's Warbirds version).

 

The DCS reference is on page 16 of Quick Starter and 132 of complete manual.

 

All say the same thing, the pilot have two options, manual or electric pumps.

 

See this topic: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=179160

Edited December 18, 2016 by Sokol1_br

[Charly_Owl]

In many sections, there are occurences of Boost Pressure units being referred as in "ft/in2". They should be referred to in lb/in2 (psi).

[Redglyph]

The quote mentioning page 19 is from Mk.IX Pilot Notes (Zeno's Warbirds version).

 

The DCS reference is on page 16 of Quick Starter and 132 of complete manual.

 

All say the same thing, the pilot have two options, manual or electric pumps.

 

See this topic: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=179160

 

Interesting.

 

The figure 41 pg. 81 in the DCS manual shows there is no booster pump (this would probably be the item 19 which has no legend). It could be wrong, though. It matches the right figure in attachment below.

 

I've seen a paragraph in the Pilot's Notes saying the booster fuel pump had a switch on the left side (two positions, or three in case of rear fuel tank).

 

So either this version

- has a booster pump, but it's not mentioned in the text and figure 41 is not correct, and some additional info should be part of the start-up procedure;

- has no booster pump, and this switch is for the fuel pump. Activating it seems to play the same role as the booster pump, though.

 

In either case the fuel pump (which is a separate element, as I said: item 5 on figure 41) exists but there is no explanation on when to use it in the DCS manual. Perhaps it's automatic, I didn't find how to activate it in any document.

 

So, some confusion here asks for clarification :)

 

Another figure in attachment shows the procedure with the booster pump, and also the engine start-up mentioned above.

Edited December 19, 2016 by Redglyph

[Captain Orso]

I'd say the past form of lay is laid, isn't it? We don't want to replace one mistake with another :D.

 

Shouldn't the entire manual be in the present tens? ".. 410 liters has the form of a trough and lays close to the lower wing center^section .."

 

Using the past tens make the manual sound like it was written as an history essay, and not a handbook to be used in the present.

 

BTW it's on page 30 of my manual, not 27.

[blue_six]

Other, the usage of the fuel pump is not mentioned in the pre-check or start-up, or did I miss it? I must admit I'm a bit confused about this one.

 

For Redglyph, I found the fuel pump, boost pump and wobble pump situation pretty confusing at first, but think I've got my head around it now. Having gone through the RAF Pilot's Notes (PN) and the DCS Flight Manual (FM), here's my take on it:

 

 

The fuel pump shown as item 5 on Figure 41 in the FM is the engine driven fuel pump discussed at paragraph 2 of the PN.

 

 

The rectangular shape shown at the bottom of the lower main fuel tank at Figure 41 in the FM, drawn in dashed lines but not labeled, is meant to represent the electric boost pump.

 

 

As discussed in the thread Sokol1_br mentioned, the electric boost pump eventually replaced the wobble pump as a device to raise fuel pressure at the carburettor for start-up and to ensure steady running while switching between external and internal tanks. Three configurations are possible: wobble pump only, wobble plus boost pump, and boost pump only.

 

 

The version we have is the interim one, with both wobble and boost pump. The boost pump is definitely there: in a cold start, you can hear it when you switch it on (keyboard zero will toggle it). Using the boost pump instead of the wobble pump during start-up, you will see the low fuel pressure warning light extinguish within a second or two of the boost pump operating.

 

 

Although the FM currently focuses on using the wobble pump during start-up, a good start can be achieved in the sim using the boost pump instead. It appears it's not essential to run the boost pump for the full 30 seconds recommended in the PN, at least in the current cold start instant action mission. I've had good starts even when I switched the boost pump off as soon as the low fuel pressure light went out.

 

 

I believe the FM and Quick Start Guide need revision to bring them into better compliance with the PN in this area.

 

 

Figure 41 needs attention – the boost pump (item 19?) should be added to the legend and the upper and lower main tanks (items 17 and 18 should be labeled on the diagram.

 

 

The start-up process should include description of using the boost pump in lieu of the wobble pump, as presented in the PN. Note that the boost pump is to be switched back ON during engine warm-up, once you confirm that the low fuel pressure warning light remains OFF, and the boost pump remains ON for the remainder of the flight. This item should be added to the warm-up, before take off and landing check lists in the FM/Quick Start Guide. NOTE: item (iv) in the FM "before take-off" check list reads “fuel boost valve in the OFF position.” This is referring to the tank pressurization valve, not the boost pump – see para 8 page 140 in the FM. To alleviate confusion, it would be better to replace “fuel boost valve” with “fuel tank pressure cock” as seen in the PN.

 

 

Hope this helps, rather than confusing things further.

Edited December 21, 2016 by blue_six
Further testing showed no adverse effect from running boost pump for full 30 secs

[Redglyph]

The fuel pump shown as item 5 on Figure 41 in the FM is the engine driven fuel pump discussed at paragraph 2 of the PN.

 

Thanks a lot for the clarification! :)

 

The bit above is what I missed, "engine-driven", not electric, so we don't really have to pay attention to it in the start-up procedure, and there is no switch.

[Sokol1_br]

FM - pag. 80 - NAVIGATION EQUIPMENT

 

 

"Under the glass is the lubber line - a thin wire, set against the serving as the index when determining the compass rose course."

 

This phrase is confuse. Seems like DI readings after maneuvers. :)

 

Maybe: "Under the glass is the Lubber Line - a thin wire, against is set the compass rose. This line serve as index for determining the course."

 

" The compass boul holds liquid for dampening the compass rose oscillations. "

 

Mistype, is bowl

 

 

" The compass bowl is filled with naphtha. "

 

http://s72.photobucket.com/user/kingpinmedia/media/COMPASS11.jpg.html

 

Seems that alcohol solution are used instead naphtha.

 

http://s72.photobucket.com/user/kingpinmedia/media/COMPASS11.jpg.html

[Captain Orso]

Elevator and Tail Rudder Trim settings.

 

I assume that the elevator trim center is exactly on the screw in the middle, but then I ask myself why the trim always starts at 2 ticks above centered, which is not neutral, and will never be used for take off nor landing(??).

 

Please document in the manual what is neutral/center.

 

The tail rudder trim is in once since worse, because there is absolutely no scale on which to measure center.

 

Help a guy out, please document where center is.