Introducing the VPC MongoosT-50

[Cyph3r]

Has anyone greased this up with Nyogel 767a yet? Does it improve the stick at all?

 

I know this damping grease was a nectar from the gods for the Warthog, just curious if it transfers to improving the feel of this stick as well.

 

 

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The reason Nyogel 767a works so well with the TM Warthog is due to the very large contact area between the moving parts of the gimbal.

 

The VPC MongoosT-50 doesn't suffer from the same problems as the TM Warthog so I'd imagine any difference would be minimal at best :thumbup:

[Buckeye]

The reason Nyogel 767a works so well with the TM Warthog is due to the very large contact area between the moving parts of the gimbal.

 

 

 

The VPC MongoosT-50 doesn't suffer from the same problems as the TM Warthog so I'd imagine any difference would be minimal at best :thumbup:

 

 

 

Good to know, not worth the effort then once I order and receive my T50 base. Thank you!

 

 

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[Buckeye]

Has anyone fitted this with the Wheel Stand Pro and it's joystick adapter on the center module? If so, can you please post some details (and preferably pictures) so I can wrap my head around how this would work out? Thank you!

 

 

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[MBot]

The groaning of the grip could be fixed by tightening the screws.

 

But now I have a new issue. After a while, the stick base started to make a "knacking" sound, together with a little resistance to overcome, when moving the stick on the roll axis from the center to the left (right on my installation, since it is backwards). I eventually opened the base, couldn't find anything and put everything back together, after which the problem went away. Now after some hours of use, it came back again. Anyone has experienced the same?

[dburne]

The groaning of the grip could be fixed by tightening the screws.

 

But now I have a new issue. After a while, the stick base started to make a "knacking" sound, together with a little resistance to overcome, when moving the stick on the roll axis from the center to the left (right on my installation, since it is backwards). I eventually opened the base, couldn't find anything and put everything back together, after which the problem went away. Now after some hours of use, it came back again. Anyone has experienced the same?

 

Not sure what you mean by "knacking" sound, but my new base makes a clicking type of sound when I move it along the roll axis, a single clicking sound in each direction of the roll axis., every time I move it. My original base ( that I buggered up), did not make this sound.

[Buckeye]

Introducing the VPC MongoosT-50

 

After reading through the entire thread, even the most recent pages (where efforts for improvement by Cyph3r and Virpil are apparent) it seems it may be worth waiting a bit for Virpil to get their quality control under wraps...do current owners agree or disagree with this statement?

 

 

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[dburne]

After reading through the entire thread, even the most recent pages (where efforts for improvement by Cyph3r and Virpil are apparent) it seems it may be worth waiting a bit for Virpil to get their quality control under wraps...do current owners agree or disagree with this statement?

 

 

I probably have somewhere between 15-20 hours in now with my new T-50 base.

 

For me, the issue with both bases has been the quality/fit of the cams, and the cam screws that were used in my first base.

I was somewhat surprised after all the talk about the above since initial release that my new base arrived with installed cams that were not smooth. The extra cams certainly were.

 

While I definitely feel and hear the roughness of my installed soft center cams, when I am flying I really do not notice it and of course do not hear it. Same with the clicking on the roll axis. I sure wish I knew what is causing this, my first base did not have that clicking sound. This stick has definitely helped my flying and accuracy of hitting enemy AI with my guns and cannons. So it does not seem to be affecting my flying in any way. I guess if I could just stop moving the stick around when not flying I might forget about it LOL. But kind of a habit for me I guess.

 

I sure hope my cams don't work themselves loose, last thing I want to do is to open her up after what I went through with my first base, although if I did have to I am sure I would be fine - at least would know what not to do.

 

Based on my experience and reading of some others' experience, it would definitely behoove them to tighten up on the QC of the cams they are sending out with their units. Everything else as far as I can tell is very solid.

 

To answer your question, at least in my opinion I would not hesitate to order this setup again if I had to do it over knowing what I know today. It is a pure joy to fly with this Virpil setup.

Edited October 9, 2017 by dburne

[zika1234]

Can somebody who previously owned and used tm warthog with extension pipe, compare the two?

 

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[dburne]

Can somebody who previously owned and used tm warthog with extension pipe, compare the two?

 

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I came from using a Warthog with 7.5cm extension. It is a decent backup for me should anything happen with my Virpil setup, but for now the Warthog stick is retired. The gimbal system in the Virpil setup is definitely better than the Warthog.

 

Hard to beat an all metal independent axis gimbal system.

[Buckeye]

I'm very happy with it, the only issues I've had was the cam and cam screws working themselves loose with use which I solved with some Loctite. Five weeks later and they're still solid.

 

 

 

I also took the whole thing apart(sorry Virpil, machining is my thing and I can't resist). Everything was well finished and fitted, no burrs or sharp corners. The bearings and axles fit perfectly with no play. Frankly everything looks overbuilt to the point where it'll outlast me. I'd advise against disassembling it any more than necessary to change cams/springs though, unless you enjoy aligning magnets.

 

 

 

I did also go through a few of the somewhat flimsy cam screws which I believe have been upgraded at this point?

 

 

Thanks for the feedback, I'll wait for Cyph3r to confirm that they are using new screws. I definitely won't be doing any more assembly/disassembly of the base than what is absolutely necessary. Not my thing at all, I hate tinkering like that to be honest...makes me too nervous I'm going to break something lol

 

I probably have somewhere between 15-20 hours in now with my new T-50 base.

 

For me, the issue with both bases has been the quality/fit of the cams, and the cam screws that were used in my first base.

I was somewhat surprised after all the talk about the above since initial release that my new base arrived with installed cams that were not smooth. The extra cams certainly were.

 

While I definitely feel and hear the roughness of my installed soft center cams, when I am flying I really do not notice it and of course do not hear it. Same with the clicking on the roll axis. I sure wish I knew what is causing this, my first base did not have that clicking sound. This stick has definitely helped my flying and accuracy of hitting enemy AI with my guns and cannons. So it does not seem to be affecting my flying in any way. I guess if I could just stop moving the stick around when not flying I might forget about it LOL. But kind of a habit for me I guess.

 

I sure hope my cams don't work themselves loose, last thing I want to do is to open her up after what I went through with my first base, although if I did have to I am sure I would be fine - at least would know what not to do.

 

Based on my experience and reading of some others' experience, it would definitely behoove them to tighten up on the QC of the cams they are sending out with their units. Everything else as far as I can tell is very solid.

 

To answer your question, at least in my opinion I would not hesitate to order this setup again if I had to do it over knowing what I know today. It is a pure joy to fly with this Virpil setup.

 

 

That would drive me nuts having a grinding noise on something new like this, even if I couldn't hear it when flying. I appreciate your feedback.

 

I'll look to Cyph3r to confirm that the cams on all future builds that leave the factory will be double checked for smoothness to make sure the faulty ones from the early production runs are gone for good.

 

 

 

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[Winger]

Any news on the software yet?

[MBot]

But now I have a new issue. After a while, the stick base started to make a "knacking" sound, together with a little resistance to overcome, when moving the stick on the roll axis from the center to the left (right on my installation, since it is backwards). I eventually opened the base, couldn't find anything and put everything back together, after which the problem went away. Now after some hours of use, it came back again. Anyone has experienced the same?

 

A little update on my problem. After the situation became worse (I could now feel a distinct bump when hearing the sound) I opened the base again and could see that the roll cam had some wiggle. I tightened the screws, which solved the problem. After putting the base together again, roll was fine, but now I could notice the same on the pitch axis. I opened the base again and could see that also the pitch cam had some wiggle. The screws were already fully tight but I gave them some more. Putting the base back together the situation improved a bit, but after some minutes of use deteriorated noticeably. Roll is still fine, but I can feel and hear a distinct bump on the pitch axis.

 

Edit: Ok, join me live as my stick falls apart. I can literally feel how my pitch and roll cams come looser and looser. Time to open the thing up for the sixth time... *sigh*

Edited October 14, 2017 by MBot

[Hoffster]

From reading these posts it seems like they have to redesign and improve the cam quality.

[Karon]

My T-50 has finally arrived yesterday! Ordered on Oct 4th from Amazon EU, arrived yesterday despite *may* issues with the courier.

Everything is quite impressive: desk mounts are sturdy and heavy, the first feeling with the T-50 hasn't been the best, I found it too hard for my tastes. I quickly took it apart, change the default springs with the blue ones and now it's amazing. I did some quick flights on DCS, Il2 and Star Citizen and the precision is incredible compared to the normal, not desk-mounted sticks.

 

Only two issues at the moment: calibration was a bit off, I used windows' tool to reset it but (as many have already said) it messes up the breaks. Not a big deal, I can wait for the official software to come out and fix it.

Second issue: the trigger is registered as a single button. I hear just one click despite pressing it completely. Am I missing something?

 

More impressions later on, I'm still struggling to fix the MFDs on the throttle's sides in order to place the CH MFP right in front of the stick :)

 

[MBot]

Edit: Ok, join me live as my stick falls apart. I can literally feel how my pitch and roll cams come looser and looser. Time to open the thing up for the sixth time... *sigh*

 

I was wrong on this one. After opening the base again I could see that the cams were still fixed. What I noticed though was that the screws holding the thread for the stick have become completely loose!

 

 

After tightening them again, the stick is now perfectly smooth again.

 

Let me recap: After using the T-50 for two weeks, I had:

-Screws in grip being loose

-Cams coming loose

-Screws holding stick-thread becoming loose

 

Don't get my wrong, I love the stick and when it works, it is fantastic. But there seem to be serious quality issues.

Edited October 14, 2017 by MBot

[dburne]

My T-50 has finally arrived yesterday! Ordered on Oct 4th from Amazon EU, arrived yesterday despite *may* issues with the courier.

Everything is quite impressive: desk mounts are sturdy and heavy, the first feeling with the T-50 hasn't been the best, I found it too hard for my tastes. I quickly took it apart, change the default springs with the blue ones and now it's amazing. I did some quick flights on DCS, Il2 and Star Citizen and the precision is incredible compared to the normal, not desk-mounted sticks.

 

Only two issues at the moment: calibration was a bit off, I used windows' tool to reset it but (as many have already said) it messes up the breaks. Not a big deal, I can wait for the official software to come out and fix it.

Second issue: the trigger is registered as a single button. I hear just one click despite pressing it completely. Am I missing something?

 

 

They really need to put a big warning with the documentation to not try calibrating in Windows, as it for sure will mess up the brake paddle axis.

I would send an email to Cyph3r at sale@virpil.com. He can get you in touch with their support and they can correct that remotely for you I believe.

 

Also, yes you should be getting a second button press when pulling the trigger all the way in. You should also feel that second click.

[Buckeye]

Introducing the VPC MongoosT-50

 

I was wrong on this one. After opening the base again I could see that the cams were still fixed. What I noticed though was that the screws holding the thread for the stick have become completely loose!

 

 

After tightening them again, the stick is now perfectly smooth again.

 

Let me recap: After using the T-50 for two weeks, I had:

-Screws in grip being loose

-Cams coming loose

-Screws holding stick-thread becoming loose

 

Don't get my wrong, I love the stick and when it works, it is fantastic. But there seem to be serious quality issues.

 

 

 

Yeah, I won't be ordering this any time soon. I want to be impatient and get the MT-50 stick and throttle...but these QC issues will help allow me to be patient and wait for VKB's throttle to release. Sorry to be blunt, but at the moment it seems like the QC is questionable at best...the newness as a brand is shining through, for certain.

 

I sincerely hope that they can get all of the issues sorted out and start to show consistent quality leaving the production line. I would love to place an order, I just can't comfortably do so right now based on what I've read.

 

 

 

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Edited October 14, 2017 by =Buckeye=

[dburne]

 

I sincerely hope that they can get all of the issues sorted out and start to show consistent quality leaving the production line. I would love to place an order, I just can't comfortably do so right now based on what I've read.

 

 

Yes they definitely need to tighten up on the QC of the finished product before it leaves their assembly plant, hopefully they will do so. It really is a very nice design, and the fact you can get an all in one package with an extension kit allowing for various lengths, and a desk mount bracket is a huge selling feature.

 

As I have talked about previously, I am on my second T-50 base, and have now logged many hours of flying in it. Whilst I don't really notice it all that much while flying just moving it around when not flying I can feel the roughness of the cams , and hear it as well. This was very disappointing after what I went through with the first base, and in fact the first one was so much smoother.

 

But I will say even with that, I am still very glad I got this setup. I have way better and smoother control than I ever had with my Warthog. I just hope my cams or whatever never work loose, taking this thing apart and working on it got me in real trouble with my first one, and while I appreciate the customizability for me I would much prefer not to get into that thing again. I just want to continue to fly and have fun.

And I will say the support has been very good so far as well.

[Buckeye]

Introducing the VPC MongoosT-50

 

Absolutely, the support and community interaction seems to be great. The design is there. The product should be great, barring the fact that they tighten up on sending mediocre work out from their factory to their customers. Slow down and do it right, even when demand is high.

 

The fact of the matter is that you can look past the grinding and other issues because "it's so much better than the Warthog and other prior sticks," but you could also order from VKB and receive a product that is equally as good without the quality issues. That's something VPC needs to consider, they don't need to build a poor QC reputation for themselves right out of the gate as a new brand entering this space.

 

 

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Edited October 14, 2017 by =Buckeye=

[Karon]

They really need to put a big warning with the documentation to not try calibrating in Windows, as it for sure will mess up the brake paddle axis.

I would send an email to Cyph3r at sale@virpil.com. He can get you in touch with their support and they can correct that remotely for you I believe.

 

Also, yes you should be getting a second button press when pulling the trigger all the way in. You should also feel that second click.

I was aware of the brakes axis calibration issue with windows's tool but I honestly don't care much: I'd rather have pitch & roll axis calibrated for now. Also, I play rotary-wings only so brakes.. who doesn't even need brakes when you can hover? (joking of course) :P

 

I tried a few times pushing increasingly harder and finally I got the second click. It's so much harder compared to the other buttons that initially I simply thought there was some other issue. Mea culpa :)

[dburne]

I was aware of the brakes axis calibration issue with windows's tool but I honestly don't care much: I'd rather have pitch & roll axis calibrated for now. Also, I play rotary-wings only so brakes.. who doesn't even need brakes when you can hover? (joking of course) :P

 

I tried a few times pushing increasingly harder and finally I got the second click. It's so much harder compared to the other buttons that initially I simply thought there was some other issue. Mea culpa :)

 

Hmm it really should not take much of a hard press to engage that second click. At least mine does not.

[The LT]

Seriously, guys, tightening a few bolts shouldn't be an issue for a grown up bearded man. :)

[lasvideo]

Postponing my purchase until these issues are addressed. For the price, in should work flawless out of the box, like my old CH Fighterstick did (and still does after MANY years.)

[PabstBleuRibbon]

Here's a tip: After windows calibration, which we know doesn't work for the brake lever axis, use DXTweak to mess with the calibration scale. I did that and it works great.

[VO101_MMaister]

Reading these complains about loose screws I have a very simple solution for both VPC and the end users. Apply Loctite threadlock adhesive on the threads. When you as an end user has the sweet setting and the right cam-plate, remove the screws and give them some blue (or even red) loctite.