Ryzen price politics

[BeastyBaiter]

The first batch of reviews are in. Looks like the 1800X is the best option on the market for video editing and rendering tasks, but falls short in gaming. The I7-7700K remains top dog in addition to being cheaper. It does look like the 1800X outperforms the 6900k in gaming though. I'm guessing the $200-300 1600X will offer basically equal gaming performance compared to the 1800X, so it might make sense as an I5 competitor given the price. This is all at stock speeds or with a 100MHz overclock. I haven't seen anything on seriously overclocking Ryzen yet.

[Pilotasso]

Not all reviewers agree.

 

Joker productions have demonstrated that the baseline 1700 processor matches the 7700K in current games and has twice the threads for the future and its cheaper.

[BeastyBaiter]

Hmm, I'll give him a look later. I checked gamer Nexus, Linus and Paul's hardware.

[Hadwell]

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Edited March 3, 2017 by Hadwell

[BitMaster]

From what I can see, it's plenty power for anything, unless you play mainly 1-core bound games that also need that core to the max.

 

The i7-7700k's only reason for existence is it's brutal IPC, for anything else there is Ryzen now.

 

It will be damn hard now to sell a 5820k !

[*Rage*]

Sadly DCS depends mostly on IPC and GHz for which the 7700K is king. For everything else a 1700x is superb.

[Hadwell]

Sadly DCS depends mostly on IPC and GHz for which the 7700K is king. For everything else a 1700x is superb.

 

The 7740K is coming out in a few months, looks like a 7700K but on LGA2066 with quad channel memory and also 24 pcie lanes, also ability to use much higher end ram...

 

kinda disappointed in the ryzen lineup, going from this computer to a ryzen build is totally not worth it, I could build a 7700K machine for the same price, and just use this 2600K machine dedicated to streaming and encoding.

 

I was going to build a 7700K machine until the 7740K was mentioned.

Edited March 3, 2017 by Hadwell

[BitMaster]

7740k will be the King of the Show I guess but it will come with an Intel price tag.

 

Now that they know that there are some aspects of computing where they still rule they will

use this lever until it breaks.

 

Honestly, I wish AMD would issue an 4c/8t monster in Q2 that burns the 7700k IPC wise !!

 

 

Wish I had the pocketmoney to play around with a 1x00X AMD Ryzen, even the 1700X seems fine when you intend to oc anyway, they both hit the same wall afaik.

[BitMaster]

Hadwell, btw

 

this 5G monster just "flies" in DCS. Even with my aging 980GTX I can fly BF with unseen framerates now.

 

I havent played a lot since November, maybe other things got better as well but I never flew that smooth and it was already smooth before but now, I can beat my head to the voice of Bon Scott with TiR5 and it plain stays synced, I mean I never had that crisp response ever before. The Latency on this rig is phenomenal LOW, that is 1 needed key to unlock smoothness

[gavagai]

kinda disappointed in the ryzen lineup, going from this computer to a ryzen build is totally not worth it, I could build a 7700K machine for the same price

 

When the 4 core Ryzens are released we'll probably be able to build a decent PC for a very good price, certainly a PC good enough for DCS 2.5 and beyond.

[*Rage*]

The 7740K is coming out in a few months, looks like a 7700K but on LGA2066 with quad channel memory and also 24 pcie lanes, also ability to use much higher end ram...

 

kinda disappointed in the ryzen lineup, going from this computer to a ryzen build is totally not worth it, I could build a 7700K machine for the same price, and just use this 2600K machine dedicated to streaming and encoding.

 

I was going to build a 7700K machine until the 7740K was mentioned.

 

I have a 2700k at 4.6ghz. I doubt youll notice a significant difference with a 7700K. According to DCS benchmarks its only 14% faster...hardly worth it for ~£1000 upgrade once you factor in a new chipset, ram etc.

[Hadwell]

I have a 2700k at 4.6ghz. I doubt youll notice a significant difference with a 7700K. According to DCS benchmarks its only 14% faster...hardly worth it for ~£1000 upgrade once you factor in a new chipset, ram etc.

 

yeah, I'm mostly wanting to build a whole new machine anyway, this one just doesn't cut it since I've been trying to livestream and such, and if im going to build a new machine i'm going to get the best i can, and i'll use this 2600K dedicated to just streaming, offload all that from my gaming machine...

 

the 1800X seems good if you like streaming while playing on the same machine... but since i do already have a good computer, the 7740K + my current computer will give much better performance, the IPC of the 7740K + not running an encoder and streaming while im trying to play games...

Edited March 3, 2017 by Hadwell

[BitMaster]

I have had a 2600k at 4.8-5GHz and now a 7700k at 5-5.1GHz in DCS.

Rest of the systems were or is identical but the RAM from DDR3 to DDR4 but my old RAM was fast too.

 

Let me tell you this, it's like a 1995 Golf GTI vs. a 2016 Golf R

 

I honestly did not expect to "feel" that much difference, neither on Desktop nor in any game but the effect is definitly there.

 

This monster slams any window you click into your face, rips MP3 like mad, performs MP Handbrake like a stock clocked 5820k and in DCS...oh boy....I never thought my Mi8 would see almost locked 143fps on BF with my settings ! Peak is WAY higher, my lowest is way higher and my sustained fps are considerably higher.

 

BUT the best I find is this very very low latency this rig seems to have.

 

 

I was never able to listen an old AC/DC with BonScott, like Powerage Down Payment Blues, headbang in the cockpit with TiR5 and the Pilot follows every bang of the head.

 

I tell you, Bon was with me in the Ka-50...HE WAS !!!

 

I am not sure if is is the fast RAM or the Z270/7thgen i5/7 in general that have such a good low latency in their throughput. Truely a totally different game now.

 

I was about to head to bed when I clicked that old album, listened to it and got back onto BF just cuz it felt so good...after month of nothing and now this joy :)

 

IIRC my latency was 40.x ns in Aida64 but I can check again. Most systems to compare with had much higher latency.

Edited March 3, 2017 by BitMaster

[SkateZilla]

All of the Above.

[BitMaster]

yeah, I'm mostly wanting to build a whole new machine anyway, this one just doesn't cut it since I've been trying to livestream and such, and if im going to build a new machine i'm going to get the best i can, and i'll use this 2600K dedicated to just streaming, offload all that from my gaming machine...

 

the 1800X seems good if you like streaming while playing on the same machine... but since i do already have a good computer, the 7740K + my current computer will give much better performance, the IPC of the 7740K + not running an encoder and streaming while im trying to play games...

 

 

YOu will love the 7740k I bet :)

 

Would have been the better choice for me too as I also do WS stuff, have WS PCIe cards that now dont really fit into this lane-limited budget board but I knew this when I picked it. I still have the "old" P6T6 WS Revolution as my standby machine, like you soon have the 2600k as standby.

 

The quad channel with fast RAM will blow your sox off, I am sure it definitely will Hadwell :P

Having a superior TIM ( SOLDER..oh man, shouldve waited myself but didnt know when I bought 7740k would come ) it will likely see 5.2 often, 5.1 as usual OC for everybody and 5.3.5.4 for good dies and good coolers I foresee now.

 

AMD has to counter this asap !!! DAMN

 

A 4 Core Ryzen with SMT and 4/4.5GHz factory clock would just be what we need.

Add another 2-400 with OC and we have an aternative.

Now make that AMD WS capable, add some lanes, quad pumped mem and we have an even better spectrum to choose from if we intend not only to game but also use it as a bandwidth and mem intensive machine ( VMware, Handbreak etc.. ).

 

I always liked ther idea of ONE machine that does it all vs. 1 for each job.

 

A true "WollMilchSau" as we say.

 

I am eagerly looking for the new AMD WS and X299 as my sons needs anew PC too and he could get mine and I hop to those... we will see what comes, also a budget question, no doubt, getting another baby..so money is not really there for PC gimmicks.

[Farlander]

many are dissapointed in the launch, im certinly not.. it's looking to be what i hoped for, and im certinly in no hurry.. i'll wait some time, at least for the 6c12t to launch before i decide. looks great for my use anyways. even holds up really well in games.. (depending on what benches you look at, so yea.. i'll wait a while. someone stated a bios update the last days improved the perf by 20% and that things are still pretty buggy. it seems like a really good purchase, especially the 1700)

[Farlander]

AMD cpu's have been soldered for quite a while, including Ryzen. and while clocks are quite important, they're not everything. people are already getting 4.0 overclocks on air with 1700's which is damn good for an 8c16t.

[Konovalov]

many are dissapointed in the launch,

Those were the people who fell victim to the frenzied hype train. :smilewink:

 

I'm just grateful that we now have competition which hopefully drives product innovation and more competitive prices.

[Farlander]

Those were the people who fell victim to the frenzied hype train. :smilewink:

 

I'm just grateful that we now have competition which hopefully drives product innovation and more competitive prices.

 

i mean.. the 1700 is freaking brilliant compared to a i7 7700k at the price in everything but gaming performance. where everything is very unstable anyways with BIOS updates supposedly fixing ram problems and overall a ~20% performance increase.. and in pretty much any other scenario than pure gaming the 1700 beats it, and it also comes with a stock aircooler supposedly able to clock the thing just fine up to around ~3.9 Ghz at ~.25-.35v (.35 being AMD safe voltage limit)

[Konovalov]

I think that the 1700 is the most compelling buy of the three 7 series CPU's. Let's wait and see how close it becomes in gaming once game optimisations have been implemented. Was it any surprise that at 1080p game benchs the AMD fell behind having game developers basing their work around the Intel dominant landscape.

 

 

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[SkateZilla]

i mean.. the 1700 is freaking brilliant compared to a i7 7700k at the price in everything but gaming performance. where everything is very unstable anyways with BIOS updates supposedly fixing ram problems and overall a ~20% performance increase.. and in pretty much any other scenario than pure gaming the 1700 beats it, and it also comes with a stock aircooler supposedly able to clock the thing just fine up to around ~3.9 Ghz at ~.25-.35v (.35 being AMD safe voltage limit)

 

The issue from what I'm told is all games are compiled w/ Intel Compilers and AMD's SMT Integration is slightly different than Intel's which is causing performance hits.

 

once games properly use AMD's SMT, the performance will be up to Intel Levels.

 

Ryzen is actually better than I predicted.

 

 

Anyone that wants to say Hype Fail

 

Look at where the FX Chips Sit on the review charts.... DEAD LAST.

 

Ryzen Competes w/ Intel,

 

Even reviews that show a higher AVG FPS on Intel i5s, the reviewer also nots teh Ryzen Gameplay is smoother, and the i5 Gameplay has stutters in certain spots.

 

Stable FPS is Better than Higher FPS w/ Variance.

[Nash]

I am so compelled to go with the 1700X... I am just waiting for some more gaming reviews...

I am fine if it is not the top dog for gaming as far as it's an all in one...

Wouldn't want to use 2 different PCs for different work...

If AMD had followed the same pricing in India as it did elsewhere then I would have already bought it... AMD priced it way expensive here, more than 7700-k ... So will wait for a few weeks and follow more reviews before committing to it...

[BitMaster]

I recently built a Server for SOHO, based on X99-WS board and i7-5820k, 2 SSD , fairly down to earth and somehow budgeded.

 

Now, I would build the same based on either 1700 or 1700x, I would NOT consider intel.

I would and should maybe wait 1-2 more month for Bios to ripe but those 1700er are Intel's darkest nightmare in my understanding.

 

If I had to build a WS for VMware....jesus & maria.....1700 !!! if money allows 1700X as top end solution.

 

The 1800X needs to offer more, right now I would grab the 1700X as top end and save the 100 tbh.

 

 

Yeah,, games need to adopt to Ryzen and AMD has to fix the RAM latency, that for sure can be tuned. Right now 80-100ns is double of mine and NOT good, but time will fix it I am sure.

[Pilotasso]

the 1700 is the most interesting processor, some people could clock it as high as a 1800X manually yet costs 200$ less. even less than a 7700K. Let that sink in.

 

That being said, there is a lack of compatible memories immature BIOs and coolers, so it may be a good idea to wait a couple more months to let things settle down.

[BitMaster]

I repeat it: WITH JOY & A SMILE:

 

THIS SEVENTEENHUNDRED RYZEN is INTEL'S NIGHTMARE FOR TWENTYSEVENTEEN