other VR devices for DCS...

[fitness88]

I've been seeing a lot of different VR devices in the market place, and I might add for a lot less. Are these any good, will they work with DCS?

 

 

Thank you.

[Jabbers_]

Probably not, a lot of the devices are not 6dof, they are 3dof, and the head tracking is done with internal sensors not external which is not as precise and can cause motion sickness easier.

[Gruman]

And I think many will agree... the superior tracking of RIFT / VIVE is exactly what creates the immersive advantage which lets the VR User forget (at least partially) about the hard to read cockpit texts.

 

And just a "higher" resolution the other VR devices use for marketing wont really improve the usability. All about Pixel Density, the type of display (Screendoor effect), lenses, and of course Software.

[wormeaten]

CV1 is waist of money definitely. Today you can get DK2 for 200$ new one and CV1 better picture quality is not worth it in price difference.

If you want better picture quality even some VR based on google VR with 2560x1440 mobile is given better picture quality than CV1 or Vive.

There is some tracking alternative and NOLO VR is coming out on Market in June and wait till than to see some test because you could buy some android based AiO VR 2560x1440 paired with Nolo for half of the CV1 price with possible better results in the end. This positional tracking is only advantage for CV1 but just for now or someone who don't want some DIY solutions which work good almost as CV1.

I try Gear VR based on LG G3, DK2 and CV1. Only on CV1 I got nausea.

[dburne]

CV1 is waist of money definitely.

 

That would be more a matter of personal preference, rather than a blanket statement.

 

Heck I purchased my Rift and Touch Controllers even before Oculus dropped the price by 200 bucks combined for both, and I am very pleased with my purchase.

I love my CV1 and since getting it have not done any gaming without it.

 

So for me, it has not been a waste at all as I am getting my money's worth no doubt.

But undoubtedly there will be some folks that do not feel they are - and be disappointed. But I am pretty sure there are many more like myself as well.

 

I do look forward to seeing what the future will bring as well.

[John Hargreaves]

CV1 is waist of money definitely. Today you can get DK2 for 200$ new one and CV1 better picture quality is not worth it in price difference.

If you want better picture quality even some VR based on google VR with 2560x1440 mobile is given better picture quality than CV1 or Vive.

There is some tracking alternative and NOLO VR is coming out on Market in June and wait till than to see some test because you could buy some android based AiO VR 2560x1440 paired with Nolo for half of the CV1 price with possible better results in the end. This positional tracking is only advantage for CV1 but just for now or someone who don't want some DIY solutions which work good almost as CV1.

I try Gear VR based on LG G3, DK2 and CV1. Only on CV1 I got nausea.

 

That's really interesting to read, and is genuinely the first time I've ever heard anyone say that. Could you expand on how you feel you wasted your money? What was it about the rift you didn't like? Which games or experiences made you sick?

[Jabbers_]

I find it the opposite of @wormeaten, I tried several mobile solutions with inside out tracking, and got sick, Vive and Oculus not so much.

[pegon]

Definitively with Wormeaten here. Today's systems, Vive/rift, are to marginal for what they cost. Ideally i want to see 140° FOV and eye tracking before i spend the kind of money they want. In the mean time i might buy something cheaper, maybe some Microsoft VR headset or Pimax. There is no reason for discourse here. Todays systems are only a marginal entry into VR and the systems that come the next 1-2 years will blow them out of the water. In latest developments, i am exited to learn that Vive are adding eye-tracking to the HTC. This allows them to increase resolution and FOW, while decreasing demands on the GPU. I think next gen Rift and Vive will be great products.

[boedha68]

That would be more a matter of personal preference, rather than a blanket statement.

 

Heck I purchased my Rift and Touch Controllers even before Oculus dropped the price by 200 bucks combined for both, and I am very pleased with my purchase.

I love my CV1 and since getting it have not done any gaming without it.

 

So for me, it has not been a waste at all as I am getting my money's worth no doubt.

But undoubtedly there will be some folks that do not feel they are - and be disappointed. But I am pretty sure there are many more like myself as well.

 

I do look forward to seeing what the future will bring as well.

 

 

 

 

 

+!

[hansangb]

Definitively with Wormeaten here. Today's systems, Vive/rift, are to marginal for what they cost. Ideally i want to see 140° FOV and eye tracking before i spend the kind of money they want. In the mean time i might buy something cheaper, maybe some Microsoft VR headset or Pimax. There is no reason for discourse here. Todays systems are only a marginal entry into VR and the systems that come the next 1-2 years will blow them out of the water. In latest developments, i am exited to learn that Vive are adding eye-tracking to the HTC. This allows them to increase resolution and FOW, while decreasing demands on the GPU. I think next gen Rift and Vive will be great products.

 

 

Microsoft is more augmented reality and the developers kit costs $3,000+. The newer headsets from Asus etc., that MS makes hasn't been used by any DCS users, so that's up in the air. Primiax has already been tested by DCS users and was found wanting in many areas. There is a *big* difference between CV1 and DK2. For me, DK2 would be an absolute waste of money.

 

So for now, Vive/Rift is the only game in town. And if they add foveated view that works and tracks well, it would make for a killer system.

 

But VR being a waste of money as is today? I couldn't disagree more. But that's just my opinion.

[pegon]

I was referring to the Acer and HP VR headsets recently announced at around $300. These are not really any better than Rift or Vive, so i still may skip them, even for the price.

What i really want is 140' FOW and better resolution/image quality. So for me, i think that i will drop anything i get before that in the bin, and that makes it hard for me to justify the price.

[John Hargreaves]

 

But VR being a waste of money as is today? I couldn't disagree more. But that's just my opinion.

 

 

 

I too share that opinion, best thing I've bought for ages, and a first generation consumer version for the price of a mid range TV I think it's good value for money too. Still looking forward to CV2 and the rest though, I'm already saving up.

[fitness88]

Interesting feedback to be sure. I think sometimes of all the entry level technologies of the past and how we thought of them then and now as we look back. Sure in retrospect I would have loved to bypass Pentium 1 computers in 1995 and have then what I have today. The excitement and customer demand is there, so you just know Oculus and Vive are really going to work to improve on the next public retail release. In the mean time I'm one of those who still get a rush every time I put on the headset and enter the world of VR.

[wormeaten]

Definitively with Wormeaten here. Today's systems, Vive/rift, are to marginal for what they cost. Ideally i want to see 140° FOV and eye tracking before i spend the kind of money they want. In the mean time i might buy something cheaper, maybe some Microsoft VR headset or Pimax. There is no reason for discourse here. Todays systems are only a marginal entry into VR and the systems that come the next 1-2 years will blow them out of the water. In latest developments, i am exited to learn that Vive are adding eye-tracking to the HTC. This allows them to increase resolution and FOW, while decreasing demands on the GPU. I think next gen Rift and Vive will be great products.

 

Amen!

 

I will be satisfied even with something like CV1.5. That will be CV1 with one display with 2560x1440 res and 530PPI. Tracking is perfect but dual display 1080x1200 (2160x1200) with 420PPI is total failure. Not real increasing of the quality but increasing cost significantly and high rocket price from one what was announcing in Rift lunch.

 

Such CV1.5 should cost 100 to 150$ less then it is today with much superior product than CV1 is. That is my point. I don't have nothing against Oculus Rift in general but they stub us in the back with their prices and holding progress of VR not just Rift VR in general. That is one of the reason why guy who start all of this not working in Oculus any more. F U Mark.

[Gruman]

Only real competitor in the VR marked (oriented in games) is the Vive and its even more expensive. As long as all those "other" devices are not at least as usable as rift/vive, why should they drop prices?

 

Apple still charges 600$ for a 150$ smartphone (same as Samsung and all the other brands). You expect the VR Industry to work anyway different?

 

When a VIVE 2.0 or a Rift CV2 launches (probably arround the same time with the same issue in delivering again), the prices will be back up in the 1k$ range.

 

But then again... To run a 4k VR device you will need a 2-3000$ computer to run it. So why should they orient on the budget gamers? IMHO That spot is filled with Playstation VR.

[pegon]

Not talking price here, i am willing to pay $1000 for a device that has better field of view and resolution. Rift and Vive may have been worth the price a year ago, but now, NO !

And when you say you need a supercomputer to run 4k, you should look at the latest tech like foveated rendering.

[wormeaten]

Only real competitor in the VR marked (oriented in games) is the Vive and its even more expensive. As long as all those "other" devices are not at least as usable as rift/vive, why should they drop prices?

 

Apple still charges 600$ for a 150$ smartphone (same as Samsung and all the other brands). You expect the VR Industry to work anyway different?

 

When a VIVE 2.0 or a Rift CV2 launches (probably arround the same time with the same issue in delivering again), the prices will be back up in the 1k$ range.

 

But then again... To run a 4k VR device you will need a 2-3000$ computer to run it. So why should they orient on the budget gamers? IMHO That spot is filled with Playstation VR.

 

Mony in fact is not an issue. I will pay even 2K if its worth it. Right now Rift CV1 is not that much better then was DK2 and price is double.

 

About Hardware for VR you obvously tracking only what Oculus or Valve doing and nothing else and you don't know what parts are build in CV1. Those are not genuine invention ali this is based on cheep existing made in china parts. Only Vive can justified his high price because unique laser tracking technology which are superior to other products.

 

There is already available technology which can be used in next generation of VR which can give us 4K per eye 210 FOV no SDE with twice better performance than Rift CV1 if all will be implemented on proper way. So hardware shouldn't be a problem in the future.

 

Not talking price here, i am willing to pay $1000 for a device that has better field of view and resolution. Rift and Vive may have been worth the price a year ago, but now, NO !

And when you say you need a supercomputer to run 4k, you should look at the latest tech like foveated rendering.

 

Exactly. Like I say before price is not problem if product worth it. My point was how Rift charging construction failure and with just simple change can made more superiour product which production will cost less than it is now what means less end price with same profit. That was my point.

[pegon]

Just bit the bullet and ordered a Pimax. Not what i want, but i can justify the cost even if it is worthless in a years time.

[fitness88]

Just bit the bullet and ordered a Pimax. Not what i want, but i can justify the cost even if it is worthless in a years time.

 

 

 

I read up on it, quite impressive! How can they have such great resolution, their specs look way ahead of Oculus.

Does it work with DCS?

[Brewnix]

I read up on it, quite impressive! How can they have such great resolution, their specs look way ahead of Oculus.

Does it work with DCS?

 

fitness88, The headset upscales the signal. Here's a link I found about how it works!

http://forum.pimaxvr.com/t/the-instructions-about-resolution/551

[John Hargreaves]

Just bit the bullet and ordered a Pimax. Not what i want, but i can justify the cost even if it is worthless in a years time.

 

 

 

Please post back here with your experiences, there isn't too much info about direct experience of this headset out there, so the more opinions the better. Good luck with it.

[freehand]

Mony in fact is not an issue. I will pay even 2K if its worth it. Right now Rift CV1 is not that much better then was DK2 and price is double.

 

About Hardware for VR you obvously tracking only what Oculus or Valve doing and nothing else and you don't know what parts are build in CV1. Those are not genuine invention ali this is based on cheep existing made in china parts. Only Vive can justified his high price because unique laser tracking technology which are superior to other products.

 

There is already available technology which can be used in next generation of VR which can give us 4K per eye 210 FOV no SDE with twice better performance than Rift CV1 if all will be implemented on proper way. So hardware shouldn't be a problem in the future.

 

 

 

Exactly. Like I say before price is not problem if product worth it. My point was how Rift charging construction failure and with just simple change can made more superiour product which production will cost less than it is now what means less end price with same profit. That was my point.

 

Out of interest which VR device do you own oculus or the vive ?

[pegon]

Please post back here with your experiences, there isn't too much info about direct experience of this headset out there, so the more opinions the better. Good luck with it.

 

Will do, but shipping from China to Norway is given at 2 weeks to a month, so nothing soon.

[dogbite]

The grass is always greener. I, for one, like new tech despite the fact that it will surely improve with time. When I bought a CV1, I got what I expected because I did my homework. DCS is adding VR to a non native VR sim, yet still offers an extraordinary experience. It is not a good as something written for it but that doesn't matter to me. The sense of being in my birds is great. Since adopting VR, I have deleted all my non VR titles and will never go back. I have had the CV1 for a year now and have been enjoying DCS, IRacing, Assetto Corsa, Robo Recall, Dirt Rally, Doom3 BFG, much more and a couple of other flight sims I won't mention as they don't like it when the competition gets creds here. This gamer wouldn't trade the last year for one second. My 2 cents.

[wormeaten]

Out of interest which VR device do you own oculus or the vive ?

 

I'm using GearVR based on LG G3 but my friends own CV1 and DK2. We tested it in details and all come in same conclusion. Just passing my experience and reasrching about VR for years.

 

So I know what I'm talking about.