[NO BUG] 1.5.7: Texture mods and Integrity Check [FEATURE REQUEST Submitted]

[NineLine]

maybe people just want to MOD to get a different landscape, like the awesome Vietnam textures. Will ED provide us with that? or a desert variant?

so its not unreasonable, what on the other hand is unreasonable telling people that they dont need TexMods because the 2.5 will look so nice .

lets do an experiement: allow server Admins to decide if they want to IC Texture Mods by giving them another option besides the old IC functions.

Then we will see how....popular this new feature is

 

You can still run those mods, turn off the IC. ED can't always support every mod, the integrity of the game would be more important for them. Look, people installing these mods are having issues removing them. Its why I mostly avoid modding my release install. I'll fly in Vietnam if we ever get an official terrain release of Vietnam.

[cichlidfan]

Look, people installing these mods are having issues removing them.

 

That is a user error issue, not a problem with the mod. JSGME and OVGME work perfectly. It is up to the user the ensure that they properly undo what they did.

[Nero.ger]

You can still run those mods, turn off the IC. ED can't always support every mod, the integrity of the game would be more important for them. Look, people installing these mods are having issues removing them. Its why I mostly avoid modding my release install. I'll fly in Vietnam if we ever get an official terrain release of Vietnam.

 

 

and then people can Edit thier loadoutfiles and fly around with AIM54...

what kind of a sugesstion is that.

and for the second argument, ED unsupportet those MODs as in investing time and money devoloping the addition IC.

but i see that arguments/statements from nearly ever customer fail to have any impact on People who represent ED, even if they come from people hosting servers for years.

 

i am very disappointed in the way this issue is handled....

[HiJack]

There is work here for all the talented scripters to implement the OLD IC checking methods or something similar that make server hosters able to disable the new IC and still have an affect on who and what can connect. Should be possible. :thumbup:

[NineLine]

but i see that arguments/statements from nearly ever customer fail to have any impact on People who represent ED, even if they come from people hosting servers for years.

 

I highly doubt you have seen arguments and statements from nearly every customer of ED's. In fact its a small sample of people even complaining in this thread. So we need to stop blowing things out of proportion.

[NineLine]

This will pass the IC on any server when released...

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3182623&postcount=94

 

[Nero.ger]

well again i am lost for words...you do not even try to understand why people are against the IC. doesn't Community Manager also means you are the connection between us and ED? trying to understeand our issues and take them to the Big guys upstairs? or am i wrong?

[NineLine]

well again i am lost for words...you do not even try to understand why people are against the IC. doesn't Community Manager also means you are the connection between us and ED? trying to understeand our issues and take them to the Big guys upstairs? or am i wrong?

 

I am trying to understand, and so far I havent seen anything that makes me think its a high priority right now, considering the future of the sim. I believe that 2.5 will erase most of these issues. I only see a small sample of people in this thread upset by this change. I dont need to bother the "Big Guys" upstairs every time someone wants something changed. I see the trouble it has caused, and would have been nice if it happened closer to 2.5, but here we are. The goal is 2.5. This just drives us all to want it sooner than later.

[HiJack]

This will pass the IC on any server when released...

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3182623&postcount=94

 

 

Yes it looks perfect SiThSpAwN. :thumbup:

[IronMike]

Well if you read in that same post I quoted from:

 

 

 

Its easy to get that way with unreasonable statements like that, ED is driving towards 2.5. They understood people wanted to mod the old tired map, but that map is going away, why would they worry about terrain mods when they have full confidence in their work. I dont want to mod NTTR or Normandy, I doubt the updated BS map will be any different.

 

That could be percieved as, because you dont want it, everybody else should fall in line.

 

Mods are exactly there to cater to different preferences, because one, be it yours or mine (I personally dont mod much either), is not enough. Rest assured, no matter how beautiful ED's work is, there is always room for interpretation and improvement.

 

we've seen it in many games: those have longevity, where modding thrives, and those don't where it doesn't.

 

It is also a very slippery slope to kind of claim that ED doesn't want mods around because they are a statement that there is always room left for improvement or interpretation, as according to them there isn't. which is what you basically implied.

 

That is a totally wrong understanding of mods. Mods are not a critique at Eagle Dynamics, they are a hommage to them. And the strongest kind of hommage, too.

 

People mod games and sims they love, not the ones they hate. If ppl here say "ugly" and so on - that is not because they want to spite ED, that is because they are frustrated. (I still wouldnt choose that language myself, and I also disagree, nothing here is "ugly".)

 

To take away a certain range of mods from people, or to be more precise: to make their use more difficult, is simply a mistake. That will be true for 2.5 as well.

 

And now, let me add: personally, I can't wait to see with what mods this talented community comes up with for the new maps. They surprise us day after day, and it keeps me thrilled and excited over and over again. try to see it more positively maybe. Modding is a hommage to Eagle Dynamics. Please don't forget that.

 

Ok, I think I gave enough input, mate (I would now start repeating myself). Thank you for the kind discussion, I hope some of it falls on open ears with ED.

 

S!

[Red Dragon-DK]

That could be percieved as, because you dont want it, everybody else should fall in line.

 

Mods are exactly there to cater to different preferences, because one, be it yours or mine (I personally dont mod much either), is not enough. Rest assured, no matter how beautiful ED's work is, there is always room for interpretation and improvement.

 

we've seen it in many games: those have longevity, where modding thrives, and those don't where it doesn't.

 

It is also a very slippery slope to kind of claim that ED doesn't want mods around because they are a statement that there is always room left for improvement or interpretation, as according to them there isn't. which is what you basically implied.

 

That is a totally wrong understanding of mods. Mods are not a critique at Eagle Dynamics, they are a hommage to them. And the strongest kind of hommage, too.

 

People mod games and sims they love, not the ones they hate. If ppl here say "ugly" and so on - that is not because they want to spite ED, that is because they are frustrated. (I still wouldnt choose that language myself, and I also disagree, nothing here is "ugly".)

 

To take away a certain range of mods from people, or to be more precise: to make their use more difficult, is simply a mistake. That will be true for 2.5 as well.

 

And now, let me add: personally, I can't wait to see with what mods this talented community comes up with for the new maps. They surprise us day after day, and it keeps me thrilled and excited over and over again. try to see it more positively maybe. Modding is a hommage to Eagle Dynamics. Please don't forget that.

 

Ok, I think I gave enough input, mate (I would now start repeating myself). Thank you for the kind discussion, I hope some of it falls on open ears with ED.

 

S!

 

Well said Sir. I agree 100%

 

I´m a mod user and I use mods that turn Russian cockpit into english. The same goes with the M-2000 C and the Gazelle. If they stop by IC supprting this I doubt I will buy none english airplane in the future.

[NineLine]

Well said Sir. I agree 100%

 

I´m a mod user and I use mods that turn Russian cockpit into english. The same goes with the M-2000 C and the Gazelle. If they stop by IC supprting this I doubt I will buy none english airplane in the future.

 

Cockpits are another story, I know there are drop downs for changing the cockpits in some modules, I could totally see this being an option for a module that would pass IC.

[Krippz]

This will pass the IC on any server when released...

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3182623&postcount=94

 

 

Can't wait.

[Kraut]

This will pass the IC on any server when released...

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3182623&postcount=94

 

Cool, got a date on that? Cause MP is unflyable for many of us at this very moment. We don't want to wait for 2.5 to fly again.

 

That's cool that you want to IC the entire game to keep things "fair", startup your own server and do just that, we don't mind.

 

The actual server owners here have made it abundantly clear that is not what we want or ever asked for.

We don't want is this all or nothing IC on OUR servers. 1.5.6 IC was working just fine for everyone.

 

If ED wants to IC terrains because 2.5 look so nice (which they really do), then turn that on at 2.5 release. Until then, we need our own terrain and cockpit mods. There was no reason to do this for this current build.

 

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Edited July 14, 2017 by Kraut

[NineLine]

Just to let everyone know, I have submitted a feature request for ED to look at the ability for server owners to allow specific mods on their own servers to bypass the IC. No idea what is involved, or when it will be looked at. But I think that would be the best solution going forward.