4K - is it worth it?

[Dodly]

Hello all,

 

I was thinking about upgrading to 4K from HD,but that going to be very expensive since i gona have to upgrade the screen and pc to high end one.

 

So my questions to those who have 4K rig are:

 

 

Can the software make use of a 4K rig?

 

Is the improvment significant?

 

Is spotting easier?

 

Since DCS is my only joy in this life (not realy:smilewink:) i will take the plunge if it is worth it (might wait though for nvidia VOLTA release)

 

Thanks!

Edited July 16, 2017 by Dodly

[Fri13]

Spotting is a lot more easier when I compared it at 2.0.5 and 1.5.x something.

 

C-130 was possible to spot from over 30km distance, few kilometers before Mig-21Bis radar picks it up.

A F-15 or Su-27 size aircraft was possible to be spotted from about 20km distance in more often.

 

And when it becomes to identification of the target type and side, it is from multiple kilometers further than it was with FHD.

 

It was as well easier to see the aircraft attitudes in dog fight so you could track it well and see what the enemy was trying to do.

 

And all that is without any zooming nor model enlargement. But the model enlargement made 4K benefits less useful I think, don't know as I didn't use it on FHD monitor anymore but really moved to 4K because DCS. Even reading the texts and all in cockpit is far nicer as you can see every line etc easily.

 

The 4K really did away the need to zoom in at all, that I think says a lot already.

[Dodly]

Thanks Fri13,

 

That is really great news,no zooming and good spotting is really alot.

 

Do you use pc screen or tv?

 

What screen size do you have?

 

What graphic card you use or you think is needed for 4K (with 60 fps)

 

apologies for the bombardment of questions,and thanks again.

[BigDuke6ixx]

Hello all,

 

I was thinking about upgrading to 4K from HD,but that going to be very expensive since i gona have to upgrade the screen and pc to high end one.

 

So my question to those who have 4K rig is:

 

 

Can the software make use of a 4K rig?

 

Is the improvment significant?

 

Is spotting easier?

 

Since DCS is my only joy in this life (not realy:smilewink:) i will take the plunge if it is worth it (might wait though for nvidia VOLTA release)

 

Thanks!

 

Waste of money 4k. The visual ranges mentioned above are unrealistic and represent a hardware cheat. Go VR instead and get the feeling of actually flying a military aircraft as opposed to sitting at a drone opperator's station.

[Dodly]

A pc that can handle 4K ,will hopefully be able to run VR ,and 4K screens are not that expensive today,so it might be both when the second gen VR will hit the market.

[BigDuke6ixx]

A pc that can handle 4K ,will hopefully be able to run VR ,and 4K screens are not that expensive today,so it might be both when the second gen VR will hit the market.

 

There are an awful lot of lies being spread about gen1 VR. I can along speak from first hand experience and say that I can operate the A10c in VR without compromising performance, in fact, aspects like situational awareness are greatly advanced. My point being, don't wait, you're just depriving yourself of the best experience you can have.

[Dodly]

Thanks for the reply BigDuke,

 

I guess you are right about not waiting and that VR is the best experience,but i dont want to buy it and after afew months see the new model being released (it seems like they are clearing the stocks right now).

[BigDuke6ixx]

Thanks for the reply BigDuke,

 

I guess you are right about not waiting and that VR is the best experience,but i dont want to buy it and after afew months see the new model being released (it seems like they are clearing the stocks right now).

 

New models not happening until 2019, apparently.

[Dodly]

New models not happening until 2019, apparently.

 

Thanks!

[Quadg]

ah the days of flight simming in 640 by 480 4:3 on a CRT..

 

but thats the thing about 4k, its just more resolution.

 

VR is an experience..

 

one you cant imagine.

 

and getting gen 1 cheap now is a good idea.

 

let the early adopters find all the bugs for you in gen 2 and buy it a year after it comes out, cheap, too..

 

avoid the cuts given out by the cutting edge..

 

you get less scares. and a lot more smiles,

[cichlidfan]

4k is worth it. Running a 40" 4k monitor here. VR is a whole different exxperience, though.

[javelina1]

ah the days of flight simming in 640 by 480 4:3 on a CRT..

 

but thats the thing about 4k, its just more resolution.

 

VR is an experience..

 

one you cant imagine.

 

and getting gen 1 cheap now is a good idea.

 

let the early adopters find all the bugs for you in gen 2 and buy it a year after it comes out, cheap, too..

 

avoid the cuts given out by the cutting edge..

 

you get less scares. and a lot more smiles,

 

amen brother! VR all the way.

[cichlidfan]

and getting gen 1 cheap now is a good idea.

 

The problem with the DK1, regardless of how cheap, is that is either no longer supported or about to become not supported (I don't keep track). It also has no positional tracking.

[Taintid]

4K is definitely worth it. I find with 90% of the games i play Anti-Aliasing is not needed at all. It frees up a bit of GPU power that can be used for other graphical improvements. :) I'm running on a 49' samsung 4K TV and the picture is incredible.

[Quadg]

The problem with the DK1, regardless of how cheap, is that is either no longer supported or about to become not supported (I don't keep track). It also has no positional tracking.

 

 

by gen 1 I mean the CV1 and vive. proper ecosystems with support.

 

not the pre build alpha. (DK) im not in the mood for buying any more alphas at the moment..

[HiJack]

I'm also running 4K on a 40 inch 4K monitor (Philips 40" 4K LED BDM4065UC/00). I can fly in full 4K resolution (3840x2160) but if I do I can't record video of my flight so I mainly run half 4K (2560x1440) as this seems to work smoother on my PC. Even half 4K is awesome :D. But VR is the new thing but you will loose some integration with manual switches if you have more of a cockpit setup. I also use keyboard quite a lot on menus and ingame chat and as far as I know this is a challenge for VR users. So both 4K and VR are good solutions for DCS but it depends on your flight gear/desk setup what suits. :)

Edited July 16, 2017 by HiJack

[Dodly]

I'm also running 4K on a 40 inch 4K monitor (Philips 40" 4K LED BDM4065UC/00). I can fly in full 4K resolution (3840x2160) but if I do I can't record video of my flight so I mainly run half 4K (2560x1440) as this seems to work smoother on my PC. Even half 4K is awesome :D. But VR is the new thing but you will loose some integration with manual switches if you have more of a cockpit setup. I also use keyboard quite a lot on menus and ingame chat and as far as I know this is a challenge for VR users. So both 4K and VR are good solutions for DCS but it depends on your flight gear/desk setup what suits. :)

 

Thanks for all for replying (the support of DCS community really surprised me:thumbup:).

 

Since i have space limitations,i will have to use the screen as pc screen,meaning it will replace my pc screen and will be located just infront of my face(about half a meter) is it possible to use 40" screen that way?isn't it too close?

 

Thanks!

[remi]

New models not happening until 2019, apparently.

 

What about Vive?

 

 

I say go with 4k. Especially with the others in this topic saying that you can operate the aircraft without zooming in, I think 4k is the best, and it's the future.

 

 

The only thing better would be 4k 21:9, but that won't happen until next year at the earliest.

[HiJack]

My 40" screen is 75 - 80 cm in front of my face siting on a small shelf to get the correct height (middle of the screen aligned with the tip of my nose). I have a 27" left side monitor (tilted portrait) for teamspeak, radio, briefings, flight plans and starting and stopping video recording and streaming services. And a 24" in front under the main screen for check lists, all widescreens with plenty of space. Flying with DCS in full 4K resolution (3840x2160) is a blast but also perfect in half 4K (2560x1440). Having all this information available is perfect if you plan on flying as real as possible missions in a multiplayer session (at least if your brain is fried like mine :P ). This setup suites me very well and is a perfect home entertainment system where it is really good to watch movies as well as a professional workspace for video and image editing. For flight I recommend TrackIR also! :joystick:

 

Monitor layout:

[HiJack]

PS! You really need a powerful CPU and GPU to drive 4K! Check my config in the spoiler and I will say this is running 4K but not with a lot of "high" settings in DCS! DCS is the most demanding of any game I have run on 4K. FSX for instance runs like butter on max with the best terrains and REX graphics (but needs a mod to run fullscreen).

[HiJack]

VR may be less demanding. I don't know.

[hansangb]

What about Vive?

 

 

I say go with 4k. Especially with the others in this topic saying that you can operate the aircraft without zooming in, I think 4k is the best, and it's the future.

 

 

The only thing better would be 4k 21:9, but that won't happen until next year at the earliest.

 

 

4K is wonderful and shows off DCS. But it most decidedly is *not* the future. VR is the future. The difference to me is like playing DCS with just keyboards and with HOTASX10.

[BigDuke6ixx]

What about Vive?

 

 

I say go with 4k. Especially with the others in this topic saying that you can operate the aircraft without zooming in, I think 4k is the best, and it's the future.

 

 

The only thing better would be 4k 21:9, but that won't happen until next year at the earliest.

 

Pretty boring future. Sitting at a desk and acting as a remote drone operator isn't much of an experience.

[33-DFTC]

Pretty boring future. Sitting at a desk and acting as a remote drone operator isn't much of an experience.

 

Pretty funny as most likely the future will be drone operated platforms.

 

Concerning 4K, this is a great way to enjoy video games. Even if you're lacking the immersion provided by VR, you can't deny its advantages. Hopefully we'll get 4K VR hardware in the two or three next years - fingers crossed.

[jojo]

Spotting is a lot more easier when I compared it at 2.0.5 and 1.5.x something.

 

C-130 was possible to spot from over 30km distance, few kilometers before Mig-21Bis radar picks it up.

A F-15 or Su-27 size aircraft was possible to be spotted from about 20km distance in more often.

 

And when it becomes to identification of the target type and side, it is from multiple kilometers further than it was with FHD.

 

It was as well easier to see the aircraft attitudes in dog fight so you could track it well and see what the enemy was trying to do.

 

And all that is without any zooming nor model enlargement. But the model enlargement made 4K benefits less useful I think, don't know as I didn't use it on FHD monitor anymore but really moved to 4K because DCS. Even reading the texts and all in cockpit is far nicer as you can see every line etc easily.

 

The 4K really did away the need to zoom in at all, that I think says a lot already.

 

Waste of money 4k. The visual ranges mentioned above are unrealistic and represent a hardware cheat. Go VR instead and get the feeling of actually flying a military aircraft as opposed to sitting at a drone opperator's station.

 

No, considering that most of the time MP sessions are flown in clear weather these visual ranges are realistic, provided that you detect a plane without identifying it at that ranges.

 

And I have several hundreds of flight hours in gliders, I spotted Mirage 2000 at more than 20km depending on aspect angle, gliders at more than 10km commonly.

 

I also have the CV1 running on a good PC (I7 7700K, 32 Go DDR 4 RAM, GTX 1080Ti, DCS on SSD), I can tell that the range detection in VR is lower than in real life.

On the other hand, it's true that it's an amazing feeling to be inside the cockpit, great speed and spatial sensation.

But we currently have a disadvantage in visual range with VR.

Edited July 17, 2017 by jojo