VR absolutely transformational!

[dburne]

Oh... so here I thought that PD (Pixel Density) was the same as Super Sampling (just another phrase). Guess it's not. Thanks for that hint!

 

I think it is, as far as comparing SS in the Oculus Tray Tool to Pixel Density in DCS.

 

SS in Steam VR is a different story in how it is implemented, there it requires a higher number to equal the same as Pixel Density in DCS.

[Thadiun Okona]

Oh... so here I thought that PD (Pixel Density) was the same as Super Sampling (just another phrase). Guess it's not. Thanks for that hint!

 

I believe you and dburne are right, that they are the same thing. Carry on.

[Colmillo]

You bastards are really selling me on throwing away my plan of "Waiting until the next gen VR" to get in. Damn it.

 

...I currently have NewEgg tabs open to the Rift CV1 Summer Deal page + the MSI 1080 Ti page.

Hahahaha

I thought the same, and here I am.... wearing my oculus and with a 1080T on its way...

 

(And so happy by the way)

[Buckeye]

VR absolutely transformational!

 

Hahahaha

 

I thought the same, and here I am.... wearing my oculus and with a 1080T on its way...

 

 

 

(And so happy by the way)

 

 

 

Literally in the exact same boat as I type this. Rift is installed, NewEgg says my 1080Ti will be here tomorrow...I've got a tee time after work, but I'll get getting her installed Wednesday evening.

 

 

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[Dav IRL]

Literally in the exact same boat as I type this. Rift is installed, NewEgg says my 1080Ti will be here tomorrow...I've got a tee time after work, but I'll get getting her installed Wednesday evening.

 

 

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After a couple of days playing i can tell you the you will need pixel density set to 2.0, so you will be glad you picked up a 1080 TI, it's amazing.

[Buckeye]

1080 Ti is on my front porch as I type this, I'm leaving the office early right now and heading home to install it and fly all night.

 

CAN'T WAIT!

Edited August 15, 2017 by BIGNEWY
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[dburne]

1080 Ti is on my front porch as I type this, I'm leaving the office early right now and heading home to install it and fly all night.

 

CAN'T WAIT!

 

:thumbup:

 

Have fun!!

Edited August 15, 2017 by BIGNEWY
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[mx22]

After a couple of days playing i can tell you the you will need pixel density set to 2.0, so you will be glad you picked up a 1080 TI, it's amazing.

 

Problem with pixel density at 2.0 is that it will bring your system on its knees very quickly. Plus object visibility goes drastically down as well. With my 1070, I do not consider Nevada or Normandy playable at 2.0PD (it was fine on 1.5.6, but I gave up on that branch after Normandy release). 1.5PD is what I consider playable, but I realized that going down to 1.2 does not deteriorate things all that much and I gain a lot target spotting.

[rrohde]

Problem with pixel density at 2.0 is that it will bring your system on its knees very quickly. Plus object visibility goes drastically down as well. With my 1070, I do not consider Nevada or Normandy playable at 2.0PD (it was fine on 1.5.6, but I gave up on that branch after Normandy release). 1.5PD is what I consider playable, but I realized that going down to 1.2 does not deteriorate things all that much and I gain a lot target spotting.

 

Good to know. Going to try this tonite as well.

[Buckeye]

I've been running 2.0PD with pretty much everything on High and getting ~45fps pretty stable...some dips down to 25fps on the ground when taxiing on the 104th.

[Dav IRL]

Problem with pixel density at 2.0 is that it will bring your system on its knees very quickly. Plus object visibility goes drastically down as well. With my 1070, I do not consider Nevada or Normandy playable at 2.0PD (it was fine on 1.5.6, but I gave up on that branch after Normandy release). 1.5PD is what I consider playable, but I realized that going down to 1.2 does not deteriorate things all that much and I gain a lot target spotting.

 

The higher the pixel density the easier it is to spot targets is it not?

[some1]

Spot? No, lower is better.

ID? Maybe. Image is less pixelized.

[mx22]

The higher the pixel density the easier it is to spot targets is it not?

 

You get better spotting with 1.0; 2.0 is the worst. I was flying with 1.5 for a long time and when I switched to 1.2, I was amazed at how much easier it was to spot other planes. I wish there was a way to make cockpit PD of 2.0 and the rest of the world leave at 1.0

Edited August 16, 2017 by mx22

[javelina1]

I've been running 2.0PD with pretty much everything on High and getting ~45fps pretty stable...some dips down to 25fps on the ground when taxiing on the 104th.

 

so what's your verdict with the new "toy"? :)

[Buckeye]

so what's your verdict with the new "toy"? :)

 

 

 

Ended up doing a complete SSD format and Windows reinstall so I've been spending a lot of time getting everything else set up on my PC, my controls remapped to my HOTAS, and my OC's set on the new GPU card...but even so, I have made a little time to fly and it's great. It's a pretty remarkable experience.

 

Truth be both I would REALLY love if the resolution was improved, as we all would, and if ED did a better job optimizing the game, as we all would, but I am more than willing to make the sacrifices I'm making for the increase in immersion. I just wish visibility outside of the cockpit was improved the most...I could do with the lack of sexy graphics for a while (until the next gen VR in 2019).

 

My first flight I was blown away and I am still really enjoying it every time I go up!

 

 

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[tflash]

The 3D clickable cockpits really come to their own in VR, as with Track-IR of course, but I must say that using the mouse is a little bit too slow in combat situations, and I prefer to map as much as possible to the HOTAS controls. It is just faster to memorize a HOTAS button than to pick up the mouse, look down in the cockpit and find that switch.

 

An example is the gears lever on the Viggen, which is way down your seat at the left side. It is just not practical to go for it with the mouse in flight, while for the real pilot it is of course very ergonomically situated.

[Knock-Knock]

One of my new favorite things to do in VR, as of yesterday, is to get really close to the B-17's. Thats quite a sight to behold. Requires really fine inputs though. Dont know if its me, AI, or both, but it all gets really nervous when that close. But man that looks awesome in VR.

 

As always, VR screenshots only tell 2% of story.

[javelina1]

One of my new favorite things to do in VR, as of yesterday, is to get really close to the B-17's. Thats quite a sight to behold. Requires really fine inputs though. Dont know if its me, AI, or both, but it all gets really nervous when that close. But man that looks awesome in VR.

 

As always, VR screenshots only tell 2% of story.

 

Nice shot!

[dburne]

The 3D clickable cockpits really come to their own in VR, as with Track-IR of course, but I must say that using the mouse is a little bit too slow in combat situations, and I prefer to map as much as possible to the HOTAS controls. It is just faster to memorize a HOTAS button than to pick up the mouse, look down in the cockpit and find that switch.

 

An example is the gears lever on the Viggen, which is way down your seat at the left side. It is just not practical to go for it with the mouse in flight, while for the real pilot it is of course very ergonomically situated.

 

Agree, mapping all needed controls to HOTAS is crucial especially in VR. I added a CH Throttle Quadrant to my setup just to give me more buttons and axis, all within easy reach.

[lasvideo]

The CH Fighter stick and Pro Throttle have more than enough buttons for use with DCS in VR. I have the CH Throttle Quadrant, but would only use it for GA flying like in Aerofly FS 2. For the jets I fly it just isnt appropriate.

[Lenux]

I wonder how is the immersion with VR vs Track IR

[Knock-Knock]

I wonder how is the immersion with VR vs Track IR

 

No contest. Immersion with VR is miles ahead of TIR. You cant really explain it, you have to experience it.

Ive flown with VR for over a year now, and every now and then, when performance issues (bodged build update) get to me, Ive switched to my 40" and TIR. But it rarely takes more than 30 min, then I give up on that plan, an hop back into VR, and just feel right at home from the first second.

Its like life, the image follows your head, you are inside the environment, its just natural. And another strong point of VR that is rarely mentioned, is the ability to just quickly glance at your instruments. That is something I really miss when on monitor and TIR - I dont like too high a FOV, Id prefer setting it so that the instrument panel, is a 1:1 size, so close to true FOV. I would have to rotate my TV 90 degrees to get some of that, but then the FOV would get really narrow, and Id feel even more trapped, even with TIR.

[dburne]

I wonder how is the immersion with VR vs Track IR

 

For me, no comparison. I thought Track IR was the neatest thing when I got it, and would not have flown without it for all those years I had it. It was great.

 

VR totally blows that experience out of the water - at least it did for me.

[javelina1]

I wonder how is the immersion with VR vs Track IR

 

Dude, your rig should handle the Rift/VR just fine, (at 1.5 PD). :)

 

When I got TrackIR a few years back, it truly transformed (at that point in time). I was totally stoked about setting up a 4 monitor display...

 

Not anymore. The Rift saved me a bit of coin (with buying more monitors), and there's no way I'd fly with TrackIR again. VR is just that, awesome... YMMV, but there's no going back after flying with VR. Never...

[Lenux]

I have absolutely no idea about the VR highest resolution, how to use it, and so on :)

Okay, i believe all you said, guys. But there is another big big question about VR : how do you use all your keyboard / HOTAS, joystick buttons ??

Do you have to guess where they are ? :)

 

LE : 2160 x 1200 is the highest VR resolution, available ?

Okay, lets try to compare the dpi, HTC VIVE vs my Samsung 55 inches 4k TV

HTC VIVE - 2160 x 1200 that means 145 ppi

Samsung 55 inches 4k - 3840 x 2160 means 80 ppi

I don't know if the way i calculated, is wrong or not.

But in this case, on the HTC VIVE , everything should look better, right ??

I doubt it

Edited August 21, 2017 by Lenux