Kusch Posted December 30, 2006 Posted December 30, 2006 http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2006-12/29/content_5547063.htm Licence Su-27: J-11B with PL-11 maket? 1 Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
ericinexile Posted December 30, 2006 Posted December 30, 2006 Chinese pilots sure are proficient at formation walking. Impressive! Smokin' Hole Smokin' Hole My DCS wish list: Su25, Su30, Mi24, AH1, F/A-18C, Afghanistan ...and frankly, the flight sim world should stop at 1995.
Pilotasso Posted December 30, 2006 Posted December 30, 2006 If anyone wants to know this plane better heres some interesting reading. http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j10combataircraft1iw4vo3.jpg http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j10combataircraft2mn8hr6.jpg http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j10combataircraft3ao4ia5.jpg http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j10combataircraft4mv5yh9.jpg http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j10combataircraft5wr5vu4.jpg http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j10combataircraft6tr5bw0.jpg I recommend you print this. Its a good article. .
Skopro_PL Posted December 30, 2006 Posted December 30, 2006 yeah nice find with the videos...i tried finding these about a month ago..read that Pakisatan is going to take delivery of these as well "The J-10 has been offered only to the Pakistan Air Force for export; on April 2006 the Pakistani government announced that it would procure at least 36 J-10s under the designation "FC-20"." interested in the super-10 thats will include thrust vec..would be nice to see what its capable of doing...nice jet, looks kinda like the mig 1.42... | 8700k @4.9 | Gigabyte Gaming 7 | 32gb Tridentz @3000 | EVGA 1080 TI SC2 | CV1 | VKB MCG PRO [sigpic]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FeLGqKyJ3K08k3z-7XaegWgRuGRGkKUs/view?usp=sharing[/sigpic]
Shaman Posted December 30, 2006 Posted December 30, 2006 Chinese pilots sure are proficient at formation walking. Impressive! Smokin' Hole :megalol: J-10 looks like a child if Typhoon raped Falcon. Nice photos, though. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Pilotasso Posted December 30, 2006 Posted December 30, 2006 yeah nice find with the videos...i tried finding these about a month ago..read that Pakisatan is going to take delivery of these as well "The J-10 has been offered only to the Pakistan Air Force for export; on April 2006 the Pakistani government announced that it would procure at least 36 J-10s under the designation "FC-20"." interested in the super-10 thats will include thrust vec..would be nice to see what its capable of doing...nice jet, looks kinda like the mig 1.42... huh? Say what? Anyone has sources for this? .
Guest IguanaKing Posted December 30, 2006 Posted December 30, 2006 "General, we have bombed the GLA chemical weapons factories. This is a great victory!" Heh...can't help but think of "Command & Conquer: Generals" when I see the J-10. :D
ericinexile Posted December 30, 2006 Posted December 30, 2006 I've read that it features a reinforced wing-box and canopy to increase survivability when ramming US Navy P-3s.:pilotfly: Smokin' Hole Smokin' Hole My DCS wish list: Su25, Su30, Mi24, AH1, F/A-18C, Afghanistan ...and frankly, the flight sim world should stop at 1995.
Skopro_PL Posted December 31, 2006 Posted December 31, 2006 huh? Say what? Anyone has sources for this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-10 i found it on here when i became interseted in the plane.. other links http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=33383 "On April 12, 2006, the Government of Pakistan cleared the purchase of up to 77 F-16 fighter planes from the US, costing $3-3.5 billion. The number was later changed to 44 aircraft with the possibility of inducting other aircraft, such as the Eurofighter Typhoon, in the near future. The Government of Pakistan had also approved the purchase of up to 50 Chinese J-10 fighter aircraft. [6] [7] According to the Business Recorder, a leading financial newspaper in Pakistan, [8] Pakistan will be initially buying: * 36 J-10 fighters from China. * 8 JF-17 pre-production fighters from China. * 26 F-16 A/B Block-15OCU (ex-Peace Gate III/IV aircraft) from United States. * 18 F-16 C/D Block-52 also from United States, with an option for another 18. Pakistan will also be buying * 300 SD-10 BVR air to air missiles. * 500 AIM-120 AMRAAMs. * 18 targeting pods. * 500 joint direct attack munitions." | 8700k @4.9 | Gigabyte Gaming 7 | 32gb Tridentz @3000 | EVGA 1080 TI SC2 | CV1 | VKB MCG PRO [sigpic]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FeLGqKyJ3K08k3z-7XaegWgRuGRGkKUs/view?usp=sharing[/sigpic]
Hellcat61 Posted December 31, 2006 Posted December 31, 2006 P-3 Bait!! "When you're out of Tomcats, you're out of fighters!"
tflash Posted December 31, 2006 Posted December 31, 2006 Although it looks like an air superiority fighter, its real strength is its payload and range as a ground attack aircraft. It in fact "narrows" the strait of Taiwan. Add to this the fact that China has the industrial power to produce as many J-10's as needed, and the difficulty to hit these facilities deep inland, and you understand that the strategic balance is slowly but steadily shifting. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Maverick-90 Posted December 31, 2006 Posted December 31, 2006 "General, we have bombed the GLA chemical weapons factories. This is a great victory!" Heh...can't help but think of "Command & Conquer: Generals" when I see the J-10. :D the plane in C&C:G was a Mig 1.44 :P
Meyvn Posted January 1, 2007 Posted January 1, 2007 Although it looks like an air superiority fighter, its real strength is its payload and range as a ground attack aircraft. It in fact "narrows" the strait of Taiwan. Add to this the fact that China has the industrial power to produce as many J-10's as needed, and the difficulty to hit these facilities deep inland, and you understand that the strategic balance is slowly but steadily shifting. I don't think TW airforce has the real ability to attack mainland China. However, if the US get involved, that would be a completely different story.:pilotfly:
MBot Posted January 1, 2007 Posted January 1, 2007 If anyone wants to know this plane better heres some interesting reading. Interesting acrticle Pilotasso.
Pilotasso Posted January 1, 2007 Posted January 1, 2007 Thx, it was posted on F-16.net forums, I though you guys would like it. :) .
Pilotasso Posted January 1, 2007 Posted January 1, 2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-10 i found it on here when i became interseted in the plane.. other links http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=33383 "On April 12, 2006, the Government of Pakistan cleared the purchase of up to 77 F-16 fighter planes from the US, costing $3-3.5 billion. The number was later changed to 44 aircraft with the possibility of inducting other aircraft, such as the Eurofighter Typhoon, in the near future. The Government of Pakistan had also approved the purchase of up to 50 Chinese J-10 fighter aircraft. [6] [7] According to the Business Recorder, a leading financial newspaper in Pakistan, [8] Pakistan will be initially buying: * 36 J-10 fighters from China. * 8 JF-17 pre-production fighters from China. * 26 F-16 A/B Block-15OCU (ex-Peace Gate III/IV aircraft) from United States. * 18 F-16 C/D Block-52 also from United States, with an option for another 18. Pakistan will also be buying * 300 SD-10 BVR air to air missiles. * 500 AIM-120 AMRAAMs. * 18 targeting pods. * 500 joint direct attack munitions." Ill never understand Pakistani priorities. After so many disasters to their people they could have at least rethinked their military program to aquire just 1 or 2 different planes for economy. Why buy JF-17 when the J-10 is clearly superior? .
Guest IguanaKing Posted January 1, 2007 Posted January 1, 2007 I don't think TW airforce has the real ability to attack mainland China. However, if the US get involved, that would be a completely different story.:pilotfly: Which the US would. :smilewink:
tflash Posted January 1, 2007 Posted January 1, 2007 My guess is they would think twice. Attacking the chinese mainland is not evident. Pinpoint strikes by a handful of stealth aircraft mean nothing in such a vast space. Disabling Chinese airfields would take ages. The only option is to make the Chinese assault on Taiwan very costly by putting in between some carrier battle groups. In any scenario it are the Chinese that can decide if they agree with the price. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Pilotasso Posted January 1, 2007 Posted January 1, 2007 Looking at Tawian hardware makes it look like the defense strategy consists blowing up anything capable of making the crossing and leave the rest alone. China is not too vast to strike vital targets though. Thats a missconception. The chinese dont have 2000 airbases. even if they can use other strips, their intervention capability would be severely hapered by location and logistics, not to mention thats easier to blow the fighters in the air than blast every base. .
Skopro_PL Posted January 1, 2007 Posted January 1, 2007 Ill never understand Pakistani priorities. After so many disasters to their people they could have at least rethinked their military program to aquire just 1 or 2 different planes for economy. Why buy JF-17 when the J-10 is clearly superior? its a matter of politics..if you read about the jf-17 i know that this was a joint effort with China and they have split the costs of development, so that probably why and if you read here th fly away price for that aircraft is probably what they're looking at with 15-20 mil a piece i guess that not all that bad, although i dont know the exact capabilities of the plane..just like i said above politics... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JF-17 some more info of it.. | 8700k @4.9 | Gigabyte Gaming 7 | 32gb Tridentz @3000 | EVGA 1080 TI SC2 | CV1 | VKB MCG PRO [sigpic]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FeLGqKyJ3K08k3z-7XaegWgRuGRGkKUs/view?usp=sharing[/sigpic]
tflash Posted January 1, 2007 Posted January 1, 2007 Looking at Tawian hardware makes it look like the defense strategy consists blowing up anything capable of making the crossing and leave the rest alone. China is not too vast to strike vital targets though. Thats a missconception. The chinese dont have 2000 airbases. even if they can use other strips, their intervention capability would be severely hapered by location and logistics, not to mention thats easier to blow the fighters in the air than blast every base. You must be an optimist: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/airbase.htm http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/china/facility/airfield.htm OK, it's not 2000 airbases, but we're not talking about a Kosovo scenario either. Shooting them in the air? They do have a *lot* more aircraft then say Iraq and nobody has said they will be flying all the time. This is normally where D-Scythe comes in to say each F-22 will shoot down a couple of hundred of these aircraft, but then I ask you who is facing the logistics problem if we just look at the map? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Pilotasso Posted January 1, 2007 Posted January 1, 2007 Iraq had 900 fighters on strength making chinese airforce by then technicaly look pale in comparison. You dont have to raze a whole country to achieve a victory, do you know how many of those 900 fighters were actualy shot down? ;) .
Ukr_Alex Posted January 1, 2007 Posted January 1, 2007 Iraq had 900 fighters on strength making chinese airforce by then technicaly look pale in comparison. You dont have to raze a whole country to achieve a victory, do you know how many of those 900 fighters were actualy shot down? ;) 900 but how many trully capable? Thats the thing. The misconception is that having many is better then having few advanced aircraft. Besides, you can have 900 frames, but do you have enough new/advanced weapons to equip all of these frames. :Core2Duo @ 435FSB x 7 3.05GHz : ATI x1900xtx: 2GB Patriot @ 435Mhz : WD 250Gb UATA: Seagate 320Gb SATA2: X-Fi Platinum:
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