The AMRAAMer Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 What are some basic Brevity words to know other than: Tally, no joy, visual, blind, fox, rifle, pickle, splash, shack, Spike, and nails? In addition, what are some standard radio calls that pilots make? For example, in one of Ralfidude's videos, before takeoff he said "Sukhumi traffic, Dagger 1-1 taking the active runway 30 for northbound departure". This seems very professional and I'm wondering what other standard, pro radio calls are out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 What are some basic Brevity words to know other than: Tally, no joy, visual, blind, fox, rifle, pickle, splash, shack, Spike, and nails? ... Multi-Service Brevity Codes YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylekatarn720 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Nato Brevity Check out this document for the brevity codes NATO uses. That call simply means, he is going to take off from the runway 30 and he will be flying north to exit the controlled air space of the Sukhumi. You can use the VAD (visual approach and departure) charts in your kneeboard for making calls like that. These charts are the colorfull ones, not the black and white ground charts. After a simple search in the google like this "how to talk to air traffic control", you can find documents like these "how to talk to atc". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The AMRAAMer Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 Multi-Service Brevity Codes That's a ton of codes! I'm just looking for some of them that are the most important, ones that DCS pilots use the most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The AMRAAMer Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 Nato Brevity Check out this document for the brevity codes NATO uses. That call simply means, he is going to take off from the runway 30 and he will be flying north to exit the controlled air space of the Sukhumi. You can use the VAD (visual approach and departure) charts in your kneeboard for making calls like that. These charts are the colorfull ones, not the black and white ground charts. After a simple search in the google with this "how to talk to air traffic control", you can find documents like these "how to talk to atc". Other than how to talk to ATC or GCI, are there any other situations where you'd need to use structured radio calls with anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Other than how to talk to ATC or GCI, are there any other situations where you'd need to use structured radio calls with anyone else? It helps immensely to use and understand brevity in radio comms while flying in MP, especially when there is a lot of bandits and friendlies around (i.e. there's a lot of people talking about a lot of things). VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylekatarn720 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) Other than how to talk to ATC or GCI, are there any other situations where you'd need to use structured radio calls with anyone else? Well, yeah there are. Like jtac giving 9 lines or some aircraft on FAC(a) duty giving the same, CASEVAC calls things like that. For the most of them, you can find info about them online with just searching on google. One thing you gotta remember is that you dont have to use proper brevity words to communicate on radios, i mean if you know the words of course you should use them but the main idea here is to relay maximum amount of relevant information through least amount of distinctly recognizable words. So in most cases where you forget or dont know the proper brevity words just relay the information you have with using simple understandable words. Edit: For the brevity documents with hundreds of words in it, dont get scared by it, half of them doesnt have any use in dcs, just read it once and you can see the words you will need to know on your first read through. For example if you look at the nato brevity document i posted, brevity words in it have group names on them. Like AIR-AGO, this means air operations-air to ground ops, since you posted this question in the a10c thread i assume you mainly fly the a10, so most of the words you will need while flying the a10 will be inside the AIR-AGO category. Edited October 20, 2017 by kylekatarn720 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David OC Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 What are some basic Brevity words to know other than: Tally, no joy, visual, blind, fox, rifle, pickle, splash, shack, Spike, and nails? In addition, what are some standard radio calls that pilots make? For example, in one of Ralfidude's videos, before takeoff he said "Sukhumi traffic, Dagger 1-1 taking the active runway 30 for northbound departure". This seems very professional and I'm wondering what other standard, pro radio calls are out there Some good standard basic Brevity words to learn, that's related to the A10 can be found here on the 2nd page of the Hog Basics: RAF Bentwaters Tactics Guide AMRAAMer. . i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelevra9987 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 What are some basic Brevity words to know other than: Tally, no joy, visual, blind, fox, rifle, pickle, splash, shack, Spike, and nails? In addition, what are some standard radio calls that pilots make? For example, in one of Ralfidude's videos, before takeoff he said "Sukhumi traffic, Dagger 1-1 taking the active runway 30 for northbound departure". This seems very professional and I'm wondering what other standard, pro radio calls are out there Tally = Visual to Enemy/Bogey/Target/Landmark No Joy = No Visual to Enemy/Bogey/Target/Landmark Visual = Visual to Friendly Blind = No Visual to Friendly Fox = Air to Air Missile fired - Fox 1 = SARH Missile - Fox 2 = Heatseeker Missile - Fox 3 = SAR Missile Rifle = Air to Ground Missile fired Pickle = Air to Ground Ordnance dropped i.e. GBU-12 Splash = Kill of Enemy Aircraft Shack = Kill of Enemy Ground Asset Spike = Air to Air Radar pop up / Mud-Spike for Ground to Air Radar Nails = Air to Air Radar in Search on RWR Modules: Well... all of 'em ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Motherboard: ASUS Maximus VIII Hero | CPU: i7-6700K @ 4.6GHz | RAM: 32GB Corsair Vengance LPX DDR4 | GPU: GTX TITAN X (Maxwell) | SSD1: 256GB NVMe SSD System | SSD2: 250GB Games | HDD 4TB WD Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylekatarn720 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Tally = Visual to Enemy/Bogey/Target/Landmark No Joy = No Visual to Enemy/Bogey/Target/Landmark Visual = Visual to Friendly Blind = No Visual to Friendly Fox = Air to Air Missile fired - Fox 1 = SARH Missile - Fox 2 = Heatseeker Missile - Fox 3 = SAR Missile Rifle = Air to Ground Missile fired Pickle = Air to Ground Ordnance dropped i.e. GBU-12 Splash = Kill of Enemy Aircraft Shack = Kill of Enemy Ground Asset Spike = Air to Air Radar pop up / Mud-Spike for Ground to Air Radar Nails = Air to Air Radar in Search on RWR rifle is used for agm-65 only. splash means both HOSTILE aircraft shot down and Weapons impact (A/G)(A/A). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltic_dragon Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Surprisingly, this Wikipedia article has a lot of basic information that could be pretty useful and should be read before going into official brevity codes list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveRindner Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiservice_tactical_brevity_code Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin_Hood Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 rifle is used for agm-65 only. It isn't, actually. It means (from the 2005 Brevity Codes): "[A/S] Friendly air-to-surface missile launch". You are right about Splash, though. 2nd French Fighter Squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveRindner Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Well there is also "Bruiser', which friendly air-surface anti-ship missile launch. Like AGM-119 Penguin. Could also be AGM-65G fired against naval/maritime targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylekatarn720 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) It isn't, actually. It means (from the 2005 Brevity Codes): "[A/S] Friendly air-to-surface missile launch". You are right about Splash, though. Maybe i should've been more clear on it. Those meanings i posted are from the nato aap-7. Maybe they were using rifle for any A/S missile launch before i dont know that, but they are not using it like that anymore, its agm-65 maverick only. Edit: Dated 2007: Brevity Dated 2009:Brevity and i have one that is dated april 2015, that says the samething too. Edit:Well there is also "Bruiser', which friendly air-surface anti-ship missile launch. Like AGM-119 Penguin. Could also be AGM-65G fired against naval/maritime targets. BRUISER / Air Launched Anti Ship Missile / AIR-MAR(Air Operations Maritime) LONG RIFLE (Report launch location in BULLSEYE format and weapons track direction) / Friendly, long range air to surface missile launch (e.g. AGM-130, SLAM-ER) / AIR-AGO(Air operations - Air to Ground) RIFLE / AGM-65 MAVERICK launch / AIR-AGO(Air operations - Air to Ground) Quotes from the "NATO STANDARD APP-7 JOINT BREVITY WORDS Edition F Version 1 APRIL 2015" Edited October 25, 2017 by kylekatarn720 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gliptal Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Spike = Air to Air Radar pop up / Mud-Spike for Ground to Air Radar Nails = Air to Air Radar in Search on RWR"Mudspike" is not a thing. It's Nails for AA search, Spike for AA lock, Dirt for AG search, and Mud for AG lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylekatarn720 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I doubt "dirt" is being used like that cause of the ambiguity reasons, since "dirty" is being used in a whole different meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VZ_342 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 “Short list” of brevity codes...at a former job of mine, we had a “10-code” list of about 100+/- terms. In reality, we used about 6 or 7 of them. Put another way...of the several lists out there, what are the 10 “most important” words you old pros would strongly suggest new players become familiar with? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNinness Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Weapon Release Words: Pickle = Bombs (Guided & Unguided) Dart = Rocket (Not sure) Rifle = Maverick Long Rifle = Other Air Ground Missile Magnum = Anti-Radiation Air Ground Missile Guns = Guns/Cannons Fired Fox 1 = Active Radar guided missile (AIM7) Fox 2 = IR guided missile (AIM9) Fox 3 = Semi-Active radar guided missile (AIM120) Ground Attack Words: In From [direction] = Put in direction when starting attack run Out [direction] = clearing attack run Splash = Target hit/destroyed Defensive [threat] [location] = your under fire/attack and your telling everyone ( Defensive, SA-6, North East Kobuleti) Abort/Aborting = Stop or stopping attack run Radar Warnings: Mud [type] [direction/location] = ground threat on RWR but not locked on you Spiked = something has locked on to you Nails [type] [direction/location]= Hostile air radar Singer = missile launch indication on RWR SAM [location] = visual detection of SAM launch Most of the other ones have been stated by others such as tally bandit ect. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk "Jonno" Flying DCS since Black Shark 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gliptal Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I doubt "dirt" is being used like that cause of the ambiguity reasons, since "dirty" is being used in a whole different meaning.It is. Remember brevity codes are always spoken in context: there is no confusion between "DIRT SA-10 12 o'clock" and "DIRTY LINK". No mention of MUDSPIKE anywhere in the docs. @JNinness you got some of the RWR calls wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNinness Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Then correct them Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk "Jonno" Flying DCS since Black Shark 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylekatarn720 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) It is. Remember brevity codes are always spoken in context: there is no confusion between "DIRT SA-10 12 o'clock" and "DIRTY LINK". No mention of MUDSPIKE anywhere in the docs. @JNinness you got some of the RWR calls wrong.You have a good point there, yea context could help but i couldnt find "dirt" in any document. Mudspike is not in there either like you said. Edit: Just checked the doc again to be sure, i cant find any two words that sound close to each other but could be used because of the different context. Edited October 27, 2017 by kylekatarn720 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNinness Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 No mention of MUDSPIKE anywhere in the docs. @JNinness you got some of the RWR calls wrong. Is it Mud Spike two separate calls mud to designate ground radar and spiked to represent a change of status? Where are you getting your info from? Just curious, as the SIM uses the term. Is it a historic call? Or made up? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk "Jonno" Flying DCS since Black Shark 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylekatarn720 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Is it Mud Spike two separate calls mud to designate ground radar and spiked to represent a change of status? Where are you getting your info from? Just curious, as the SIM uses the term. Is it a historic call? Or made up? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk MUD (type w/direction/range if able) / RWR ground threat displayed with no launch indication. / AIR-GEN (Air operations - general) SPIKED (direction) / RWR indication of a HOSTILE AI radar lock-on (“RED 4, SPIKED, right 2 o’clock”). / AIR-GEN (Air operations - general) quotes from "NATO STANDARD APP-7 JOINT BREVITY WORDS Edition F Version 1, APRIL 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gliptal Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) From "Brevity MULTI-SERVICE BREVITY CODES FM 1-02.1 (FM 3-54.10) MCRP 3-25B NTTP 6-02.1 AFTTP(I) 3-2.5 (JUNE 2005)": DIRT - RWR indication of surface threat in search mode. See MUD. MUD (type w/direction/ range if able) - RWR ground threat displayed with no launch indication. / RWR indication of surface threat in track mode. See DIRT and SINGER. SINGER (type/direction) - RWR indication of SAM launch. NAILS (direction) - RWR indication of AI radar in search. SPIKE/SPIKED (direction) - RWR indication of an AI threat in track or launch. Note that in this document DIRT is flagged as "Not a NATO brevity word.". Also, both DIRT and the second definition of MUD are flagged as "a new brevity code, an additional meaning, or a deleted meaning to an existing term.", which seems to imply that prior to this document any AG indication was MUD, and an AG launch SINGER; DIRT was seemingly introduced to separate AG indications from AG tracking, and align it with the NAILS/SPIKE pair. I believe MUDSPIKE is a common term that took off for some reason and is now "wrongly" used by the community. Keep in mind though that the point of brevity is to convey a meaning in the most efficient way possible, so if MUDSPIKE is understood by everyone then by all means use it. It's not the correct IRL brevity (as per docs), that's all. Edited October 27, 2017 by Gliptal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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