frixon28 Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 Not sure whether to this post in this section or in the Military Aviation section, but figured I would put it here to bring up some interesting points. From the F-14 website (seriously everyone here needs to spend a few hours on this site) http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-history-combat.htm "The F-14 came to late for the Vietnam war and only one deployment about USS Enterprise (CVAN-65) with CVW-14 was made from 17 September 1974 to 20 May 1975. Even though VF-1 and VF-2 Tomcats flew combat air patrols over South Vietnam as part of Operation Frequent Wind, F-14s didn't score any MiG kill. The following squadrons belonged to Carrier Air Wing 14: VF-1 F-14A VF-2 F-14A VA-27 A-7E VA-97 A-7E VA-196 A-6A, KA-6D VAQ-137 EA-6B HS-2 SH-3D VAW-113 E-2B RVAH-12 RA-5C VQ-l Det 65 EA-3B" VF-1 "Wolfpack" & VF-2 "Bounty Hunters" were the first operational F-14 Squadrons, receiving their first Tomcats in July of 1973. They did not engage any enemy aircraft. The way I understand it is that we will be getting 1980's version (still confused if were getting the F-14A or B first :helpsmilie:) of either aircraft, so obviously the Tomcat we will get will internally will not have much in common with these first Tomcats. However with this module I am very much looking forward (hopefully)to using older models of weapons, such as the AIM-7E series and rear aspect sidewinders. I also thought it would be interesting to post about the CAW, and how hopefully we'll get some AI modules to support playable aircraft. Stuff like this is a huge boost to realism IMO. *Pictures below are from the 1970s, but not Vietnam themselves, tried to find era schemes VF-1 VF-2 1975
Top Jockey Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 Very good. The first photo is one of my favourite F-14 Squadrons ; the VF-1 "Wolfpack"... established in 1972, at NAS Miramar. Jets Helis Maps FC 3 JA 37 Ka-50 Caucasus F-14 A/B MiG-23 Mi-8 MTV2 Nevada F-16 C MiG-29 F/A-18 C Mirage III E MiG-21 bis Mirage 2000 C i7-4790 K , 16 GB DDR3 , GTX 1660 Ti 6GB , Samsung 860 QVO 1TB
Silver_Dragon Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 (still confused if were getting the F-14A or B first ) The have developing the A version first For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
Dino Might Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 Very good. The first photo is one of my favourite F-14 Squadrons ; the VF-1 "Wolfpack"... established in 1972, at NAS Miramar. Never looked up which squadron(s) were there. I was in San Diego as a kid and remember F-14s flying over my house all the time. I loved it when they would be low and fast enough to feel the vibrations in the air rather than just hear them. Given that they were operating solely out of Miramar from '92-'93, I was definitely watching them a lot. I, too, have found a favorite squadron. Thanks!
RaceFuel85 Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 The have developing the A version first They were going to originally do the A then the B. The B will be coming out first.
frixon28 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Posted December 20, 2017 The have developing the A version first Thank you and forgive me for my confusion. Interesting choice that they are releasing the B first considering the long history of the A model. Was it faster to model the GE engines than the PW engines that made them choose to release the B first? Who knows.
Top Jockey Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 Never looked up which squadron(s) were there. I was in San Diego as a kid and remember F-14s flying over my house all the time. I loved it when they would be low and fast enough to feel the vibrations in the air rather than just hear them. Given that they were operating solely out of Miramar from '92-'93, I was definitely watching them a lot. I, too, have found a favorite squadron. Thanks! Well, consider yourself lucky then. As a kid in the 80's, here in Portugal (Western Europe), all we kids / military aircraft enthusiasts had related to the F-14, was "TOPGUN". (Ok, for those who liked the F-16, there was also "Iron Eagle" at the blockbuster... and that was a luxury :lol: ) In the 90's, eventually a few lucky ones would find some F-14 related PC sim in the stores, to dream along in the summer holydays. And that was it. Jets Helis Maps FC 3 JA 37 Ka-50 Caucasus F-14 A/B MiG-23 Mi-8 MTV2 Nevada F-16 C MiG-29 F/A-18 C Mirage III E MiG-21 bis Mirage 2000 C i7-4790 K , 16 GB DDR3 , GTX 1660 Ti 6GB , Samsung 860 QVO 1TB
Scrape Posted December 21, 2017 Posted December 21, 2017 Thank you and forgive me for my confusion. Interesting choice that they are releasing the B first considering the long history of the A model. Was it faster to model the GE engines than the PW engines that made them choose to release the B first? Who knows. The B model engines are easier to code because its a robust engine. The A model engine had many performance quirks that will require more attention to recreate faithfully. They were prone to flame-outs and compressor stalls when outside of their envelope and the temperamental nature of the original engines is probably more challenging to code accurately. "It's amazing, even at the Formula 1 level how many drivers still think the brakes are for slowing the car down."
OnlyforDCS Posted December 21, 2017 Posted December 21, 2017 The have developing the A version first Nope. The B version is coming first. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
frixon28 Posted October 12, 2018 Author Posted October 12, 2018 Just found this awesome picture of an F-14A over Vietnam. Only one I have seen.
CheckGear Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 It's a shame the F-14 couldn't splash a few North Vietnamese MiGs as a final "f**k you" to the Communists!
Xenovia Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 I just realized those Tomcat's don't have TCS under their noses, huh neat. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
CheckGear Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 I just realized those Tomcat's don't have TCS under their noses, huh neat. The TCS wasn't fully implemented until the early-1980s. Until then, I believe the F-14 had the AN/ALQ-100 ECM system in that spot under the nose. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.
Home Fries Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 There's a tabletop wargame out called Downtown! that is a tactical level representation of the Vietnam air war. One of the add-on hypothetical scenarios is Linebacker III, which takes place in 1974 and includes the Tomcat. Once we get a Vietnam theater, this would make an excellent mission or campaign. -Home Fries My DCS Files and Skins My DCS TARGET Profile for Cougar or Warthog and MFDs F-14B LANTIRN Guide
QuiGon Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 Just found this awesome picture of an F-14A over Vietnam. Only one I have seen. Awesome shot! Thanks for sharing!! :thumbup: Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
129 B-3 Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 Just found this awesome picture of an F-14A over Vietnam. Only one I have seen. Photo is taken over the Philippines. This and a few more were shared by one of the Pilots involved in the 1975 deployment and subsequent ops over Vietnam. Several of the F-14 were equipped with the IRST sensor.
CheckGear Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 Photo is taken over the Philippines. This and a few more were shared by one of the Pilots involved in the 1975 deployment and subsequent ops over Vietnam. Several of the F-14 were equipped with the IRST sensor. So that's what was underneath of the Tomcat's nose prior to TCS? Once the TCS was installed, where'd the IRST sensor go?
Dudikoff Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 Once the TCS was installed, where'd the IRST sensor go? Garbage, I guess. Where it belonged to in the first place apparently. i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
Tirak Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 So that's what was underneath of the Tomcat's nose prior to TCS? Once the TCS was installed, where'd the IRST sensor go?
frixon28 Posted October 19, 2018 Author Posted October 19, 2018 Photo is taken over the Philippines. This and a few more were shared by one of the Pilots involved in the 1975 deployment and subsequent ops over Vietnam. Several of the F-14 were equipped with the IRST sensor. Linky?
129 B-3 Posted October 28, 2018 Posted October 28, 2018 No link. Old pics album is long gone (it was from 2007 or so). Photos are by Dan "Turk" Pentecost. VF-1, VX-4 (ACE/AIM '76/'77)
turkeydriver Posted October 29, 2018 Posted October 29, 2018 Yep the early IR seeker under the nose didnt work well and was replaced by the TCS on all F-14As. It should not be confused with the F-14Ds IRST which was a much more capable system. VF-2 Bounty Hunters https://www.csg-1.com/ DCS F-14 Pilot/RIO Discord: https://discord.gg/6bbthxk
Chuck_Henry Posted October 29, 2018 Posted October 29, 2018 Which of these are we getting, again? I know the B is coming out first, but I could have sworn I remember someone saying Heatblur intends to do TCS and IRST, which appears to have only been on the D model.
Deano87 Posted October 29, 2018 Posted October 29, 2018 We will only be getting the TCS as far as I know. The only way we’d get the IRST is if we got the D model as you say. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
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