Zuni Rockets

[superhavoc]

Not sure if the Tomcat carried them operationally, but will Zuni rockets be an option at some point in the future?

(idk if this was already discussed in a previous thread)

 

 

[RaceFuel85]

AFAIK the Tomcat never carried Zuni's operationally. They were only tested a few times and the last time they were seen was on the "Great Tomato" VF-101 showbird

[Freeroamer]

Would be a nice feature though, If HB is willing to go into a few experimental weapons.

[Dino Might]

We're they fired from said show bird? If so, I expect that they were actually cleared for use, but the Navy just never chose to deploy with them. Considering the incredible cost and work in qualifying weapons for an airframe, I would think that such qualification would be reason enough to include then in the sim.

[punk]

They are listed in one of the Jane's books as being used for FAC(A) target marking. Never found any operational accounts about them being used though, but my reference materials are few.

[Spudknocker]

I think because its a game having a few experimental weapons such as Zuni's on the F-14 could be pretty cool!

[Freeroamer]

Depends on how many of them we can carry. If so it would be a valid loadout for a fast strike role.

[Cobra847]

I think we've decided to include these. Will have to check in with the team on these.

[komemiute]

I think we've decided to include these. Will have to check in with the team on these.

 

[QuiGon]

Honestly, I don't like having experimental stuff, that never became operational, implemented in our F-14. We could also get AMRAAMs then...

[addde]

Honestly, I don't like having experimental stuff, that never became operational, implemented in our F-14. We could also get AMRAAMs then...

 

As Always, its your choice to use it or not.

[twistking]

Could someone very briefly explain how Zunis would compare to 2.75 inch rockets, like the Hydra?

 

Wikipedia doesn't really help with this. How does f.e. a Zuni HE warhead compare (roughly) to a 2.75" HE and an Mk 82 bomb in terms of weight and effect?

Also how does the Zuni compare in effective range to the 2.75" and in in what role/to what effect are they usually deployed?

 

Thx :)

Edited January 30, 2018 by twistking

[Cobra847]

The Zunis are described in detail in the official aircraft documentation, so I'm unsure how accurate it is to call it an experimental addition.

[superhavoc]

Could someone very briefly explain how Zunis would compare to 2.75 inch rockets, like the Hydra?

 

Wikipedia doesn't really help with this. How does f.e. a Zuni HE warhead compare (roughly) to a 2.75" HE and an Mk 82 bomb in terms of weight and effect?

Also how does the Zuni compare in effective range to the 2.75" and in in what role/to what effect are they usually deployed?

 

Thx :)

 

The Zuni is 5" in diameter and weighs around 100 pounds give or take (depending on the warhead) so definitely more firepower than a Hydra (I'm assuming you're referring to the Hydra) though a Mk 82 probably has a bigger punch. From what I gather, the Zuni and the Hydra have similar range (about 5 miles). Can't say too much for irl employment on the Zuni (I'm guessing it might be like lobbing Mk 81s at a target) though it was originally developed for both air-to-air and air-to-ground use, an A-4 actually shot down a Mig-17 over Vietnam with Zuni rockets in '67.

Edited January 30, 2018 by superhavoc

[punk]

The Zuni is 5" in diameter and weighs around 100 pounds give or take (depending on the warhead) so definitely more firepower than a Hydra (I'm assuming you're referring to the Hydra) though a Mk 82 probably has a bigger punch. From what I gather, the Zuni and the Hydra have similar range (about 5 miles). Can't say too much for irl employment on the Zuni (I'm guessing it might be like lobbing Mk 81s at a target) though it was originally developed for both air-to-air and air-to-ground use, an A-4 actually shot down a Mig-17 over Vietnam with Zuni rockets in '67.

 

I thought there was a 2.75 inch Zuni rocket as well?

[probad]

zuni is only in 5 inch, no other "versions"

 

iirc the only 2.75 rocket other than hydra was the old mightymouse

[superhavoc]

I thought there was a 2.75 inch Zuni rocket as well?

 

Seems kinda pointless to have a 2.75" version when the Hydra is already available.

[VincentLaw]

Could someone very briefly explain how Zunis would compare to 2.75 inch rockets, like the Hydra?

 

Wikipedia doesn't really help with this. How does f.e. a Zuni HE warhead compare (roughly) to a 2.75" HE and an Mk 82 bomb in terms of weight and effect?

Also how does the Zuni compare in effective range to the 2.75" and in in what role/to what effect are they usually deployed?

 

Thx :)

Bring the Hydra if you want to shoot at trucks. Bring the Zuni if you want to shoot at tanks.

 

If you have flown the P-51 or F-86, the Zuni is something like an upgraded HVAR. The Zuni is already available for the Harrier and will be available for the Hornet too. I think it's called "LAU-10" on the loadout screen.

[Mking]

The zuni project i hope set to end of the list for tomcat greets mike

[twistking]

thank you all for the clarification on the zuni. much appreciated!

[QuiGon]

As Always, its your choice to use it or not.

In singleplayer, yes, but in multiplayer I would have to deal with them.

 

The Zunis are described in detail in the official aircraft documentation, so I'm unsure how accurate it is to call it an experimental addition.

Alright, didn't know that. From what was said before it sounded very experimental, but if they are described in the official aircraft documentation than I don't have any issues with this :thumbup:

[AG-51_Razor]

I think that the mission builder can limit the types as well as the numbers of weapons that are available at any field (as well as the carrier?) so you wouldn't have to deal with them. :thumbup:

[punk]

zuni is only in 5 inch, no other "versions"

 

iirc the only 2.75 rocket other than hydra was the old mightymouse

Must have been a misprint in my book then.

[Nanne118]

Wow, that is awesome guys! With all the hard work we can see on the updates and the enthusiasm you guys (+ gals?) have for this module it is going to be a work of beauty indeed!

 

I looked around some more and found a puzzling image linked in one of the forum posts (https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3034901&postcount=7) regarding the rockets:

 

 

In this image (from an apparent nav-air manual) it claims that the F14 was able to carry rockets pods on the centerline belly stations (LAU-10A/A on stations 3 & 6), but oddly enough station 3 can hold two pods whilst it is being listed that station 6 can only carry 1?

Even more weird is that all the images and sources I could find (M.A.T.S., google images, etc) all show the rocket pods being mounted on a TER (Triple Ejector Rack) on the wing pylons ( 1 and 8 ), but not on the centerline stations?

 

 

Multi-racking was apparently done as shown in the image above, but this may have just been for demonstration purposes (also, can anyone identify the rectangular store on the bottom station of the rack? Maybe an ECM pod?). Then again, all images / sources do have the rocket pods being mounted on TERs; was this just done to avoid making a new pylon adapter? How did they fit the multiracks on the F-14 anyway, I was not aware that it could carry more than 1 store per pylon / station?

 

 

As I am already writing a reaaally long post anyway, might squeeze in more questions: in comparison to the rockets pods, how much information is available to on the (attempted) integration of the HARM and AMRAAM? Any chance those might be up for consideration (in the far future)?

Edited February 3, 2018 by Nanne118

[turkeydriver]

The rectangular store is a TALD- (tactical airborne launched decoy) Very useful during TARPs missions!