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[Prophet]

This is very rare picture of SU-27(?) launching R-77. I wonder what Su-27 that was? What does tail number 09 tells us? Who does this airplane belong to?

 

Or this picture might be a photoshop?

 

It is Russian, Red Star on verticle stab.

 

Hehe, that missile has less smoke than some 120's pics shown.

 

That R-73 too.

[OldFrankHog]

Yeah its one of those new "Environmental-Friendly" missiles.

[nscode]

This is very rare picture of SU-27(?) launching R-77. I wonder what Su-27 that was? What does tail number 09 tells us? Who does this airplane belong to?

 

Or this picture might be a photoshop?

 

The 09 tels us it's a testbed. And the fact it's a Su-27 firing it tels us nothing (it could be just a firing test)

[Force_Feedback]

They painted the R-77s red that were used for rocket motor tests. I would say it's either an in-service su-30M or a su-35, or did that one have straight tailfins?

[Pilotasso]

It is Russian, Red Star on verticle stab.

 

Hehe, that missile has less smoke than some 120's pics shown.

 

That R-73 too.

 

Its the lighting efetcs palying tricks on you, the smoke blends with the background because theres no direct light sorce lighting it against the sky background.

[EscCtrl]

I thought Su27s could fire R77s it was just that the radar or some electronic component wasn't compatible with it or that they were being upgraded to launch them soon anyway?

 

I'd be surprised if someone went to the bother of photoshopping an image like that for the novelty of fooling has aviation fans :(

[juryman03]

Here's a picture of one of the USAF Thunderbirds ejecting:

 

http://www.ejectionsite.com/thunderbird6.htm

[Force_Feedback]

Can't you see the big hump, large fins and dual canopy on that thing? That might be the Su-30KN before its paintjob.

[EvilBivol-1]

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1189794&WxsIERv=Fhxubv%20Fh-35&Wm=1&WdsYXMg=Ehffvn%20-%20Nve%20Sbepr&QtODMg=Va%20Syvtug&ERDLTkt=Ehffvn&ktODMp=Sroehnel%202005&BP=0&WNEb25u=Nyrknaqe%20Muhxbi&xsIERvdWdsY=801&MgTUQtODMgKE=Ener%20cubgb%20bs%20syvtug%20bs%20Fh-35%20jvgubhg%20pnabcl%20gnxra%20sebz%20nobneq%20Lnx-40%20jvgu%20gur%20yrsg%20qbbe%20erzbirq.%20Guvf%20syvtug%20vf%20n%20cneg%20bs%20znxvat%20gur%20zbivr%20%22Gur%20Zveeberq%20Jnef%22%20ng%20gur%20Fbhgu%20bs%20Ehffvn.&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=2416&NEb25uZWxs=2007-03-19%2021%3A32%3A11&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=&static=yes&width=1024&height=723&sok=JURER%20%20%28qngrfgnzc%20%3E%20qngr_fho%28ABJ%28%29%2C%20VAGREINY%2048%20UBHE%29%29%20%20beqre%20ol%20ivrjf%20qrfp&photo_nr=18&prev_id=1189537&next_id=1189359&size=L

[SuperKungFu]

yea i just saw that too, that must be fun for the pilot.

[Disso]

Jeez how can he possibly fly without the canopy? Talk about being whiplashed, can you imagine the cockpit environment, anything not tied down is gone! The noise must be extreme, how does he hear anything, even with the helmet and headset!?

 

I'm sure they didn't even go beyond a certain speed, and did the entire photoshoot at a minimal altitude and speed.

[britgliderpilot]

Jeez how can he possibly fly without the canopy? Talk about being whiplashed, can you imagine the cockpit environment, anything not tied down is gone! The noise must be extreme, how does he hear anything, even with the helmet and headset!?

 

I'm sure they didn't even go beyond a certain speed, and did the entire photoshoot at a minimal altitude and speed.

 

I can remember at least two occasions of USN pilots returning to base without a canopy.

 

The first was a Tomcat - the rearseater was a high-ranking officer on a joyride who accidentally fired the ejection seat.

 

The second was a Hornet in a mid-air collision - both aircraft returned to base safely with varying degrees of damage. The one with no canopy also lost the radome and a significant portion of the outer wing . . . .

 

 

 

[britgliderpilot]

This is very rare picture of SU-27(?) launching R-77. I wonder what Su-27 that was? What does tail number 09 tells us? Who does this airplane belong to?

 

Or this picture might be a photoshop?

 

I love the interweb.

 

 

Found a show report from Zhukovskiy 1995 which lists "09 blue" as a Sukhoi-owned Su27UB.

 

Another site lists the first couple of two-seat Su27 prototypes as T10PU-5 and -6, which had tail numbers 05 and 06 . . . .

 

So it seems fairly conclusive that it's a Sukhoi test aircraft :)

 

 

And integrating the R-77 onto the Su27 isn't such a big deal - I can't remember the exact details, but it's much the same mod as was done to the MiG-29S, it is after all the same radar.

However (as with the MiG-29S), upgrading the radar to talk to the missile still doesn't give you multiple target engagement capability.

[Force_Feedback]

Argh, apples and oranges.

 

I mean, they fired an ejection seat, LIVE, for the movie (from the same plane, bort nr. 801). And now I see that those scenes without the canopy were not CGI at all, that is just plainly insane (and expensive). I thought the scorchmarks were CGI effects too, but noooo, they fooled us again, from an unexpected angle, damned film makers!

So, we have an ejection seat firing from an airworthy and flying aircraft, and the same thing is really flying without a canopy, that is like surreal.

[EscCtrl]

Argh, apples and oranges.

 

I mean, they fired an ejection seat, LIVE, for the movie (from the same plane, bort nr. 801). And now I see that those scenes without the canopy were not CGI at all, that is just plainly insane (and expensive). I thought the scorchmarks were CGI effects too, but noooo, they fooled us again, from an unexpected angle, damned film makers!

So, we have an ejection seat firing from an airworthy and flying aircraft, and the same thing is really flying without a canopy, that is like surreal.

 

Shows you how rich and influential film makers can be and how desperate for money and support the Russian military still is.

[Ian_L]

Speaking of what ejection will do to the pilot, did you guys see that special on Discovery where the F-15 pilot lost consciousness and ejected at something close or over the speed of sound?:shocking:

 

Both arms and both legs where bent backwards over the seat, with multiple fractures in all limbs, if I remember... ouch. Sick discovery channel even did a 3-D re-enactment of the legs breaking backwards over the seat and the knee ligaments all tearing. Ok, enough said.

 

He never flew again I think.

[Force_Feedback]

Was it with the F-15E that had a frozen HUD during night? The only soloution for high Q ejections is, tie everything down, and make a smooth stop. His backseater didn't survive the ordeal :(

[Groove]

Afaik the russians has a face protection system for ejects over certain speeds.

[Force_Feedback]

Yes, and a visor that comes down first (no need for 'clear' visors like most Western helmets have), I still can't believe the JSF/F-22/EF-2000/Gripen and other '4th+/5th gen flying machines have clear visors that will get scratched, add weight and even may cause confusion.

 

Also the torso protection system works in conjunction with the leg raisers, to shape a nice sonic wave, around the arms and head. The cool thing, IMHO, is, that all the crap that got extended upon ejection (arm guards, leg raisers, Mach guard) returns to the original position after ejection (and thus before seat/man seperation). A well refined system, sure it got some fatal 'snags' in the testing period, but nowdays it's a mature system. Too bad they don't want to spend the cash to develop a truly new ejection seat, but eh, that's Eastern Europe, fill your pockets first, get fat, then think of the future/enviorement/consequences/health :/

[Dudikoff]

Missiles leaving the rails ... Those are my favorites...

 

Mine too, but only those leaving the "friendly" rails.