JF-17 Thunder Discussions

[FlankerFan35]

Y'all forgetting most significant possibilities, WS-13 and PL-10, LET US PRAY.

 

[MelonenBuby]

On 3/17/2024 at 5:33 PM, BigBorner said:

- Some fixes to be made to TGP and some A/G Weapons. 

- They promised a Cruise / Performance / Range Page before it gets out of "Early Access"

- HMD if Pakistan adds it to their Block 1 Jeffs. 

 

Other than that, its feature complete. 

On 3/17/2024 at 6:06 PM, Mike_Romeo said:

You forgot the weather radar that they wanted to do

Some other featuares are also missing / not simulated (meaning i don't know if these have any functionality/are simulated):

- IRST (infra-red search and track) from Block III
- ACMI (Air Combat Manoeuvering Instrumentation (Flight Data Recorder)): i don't know if there can be any functionality
- VRC (Video Recorder settings)
- P.U (Position Update)
- Flight Test I, Flight Test II, REC and RESET on FCS-Panel
- P.H (pitot heat) TEST on MISC-Panel
- CSS (Canopy Severance System) handle on the left: makes no difference when ejecting
- Radio (through COMM-Panel and UFCP and some are not possible in DCS i think):
  - Sqelch Acknowledge
  - ADF (Automatic Directional Finder)
  - Radio Modulation (Encryption): CMS and TRS
  - Encrypted Radio Network (NE- and NES) and Mode (SLAV and MAST)

If you know if these things work and how they work please tell me!

[BigBorner]

14 hours ago, MelonenBuby said:

- IRST (infra-red search and track) from Block III

We dont have the Block 3 in DCS. We have Pakistani Block 1. 

I was just mentioning things that were, at some point, slated to be added or said to be added but conditions apply, like the HMD. 

 

 

[Napillo]

On 3/18/2024 at 7:28 AM, FlankerFan35 said:

WS-13

I read that India is going to be manufacturing the RD-93MA engines in the future, not the WS-13, so I don't think we'll get the WS-13.

And the PL-10 weight is higher, our block won't get that unless they introduce some reduced weight version. 

[FlankerFan35]

58 minutes ago, Napillo said:

I read that India is going to be manufacturing the RD-93MA engines in the future, not the WS-13, so I don't think we'll get the WS-13.

And the PL-10 weight is higher, our block won't get that unless they introduce some reduced weight version. 

I think you mean Pakistan not India.

WS-13 is planned for block III at least.

PL-10E weight is not that much higher that it can't be fitted on earlier blocks. Block IIs are planned to be brought to III standard.

[Napillo]

Yes, why would India make those engines? India is going to be making RD-33 engines to keep its Mig-29 fleet operational, they would never consider selling engines to Pakistan.

4 hours ago, FlankerFan35 said:

I think you mean Pakistan not India.

 

[RyuKim]

Hi guys!

I'm happy for the recent update for the JF-17!, could anyone explain to me the new option for the Drawing two airspace on HSD?

I looked into the lua file and what I saw is something like coordinates

 

On 3/11/2024 at 9:13 PM, RyuKim said:

Hi guys!

I was looking in controls, does the JF-17 have an indent like other aircrafts? Like F16, F18. Today, I was training with a human AWACS and he told me to indent but he could no see me, what I'm missing? 

Additionally, I would like to know if the JF have indent options/controls? 

Thank you!

Edited April 11, 2024 by RyuKim

[supersylph]

3 hours ago, RyuKim said:

Hi guys!

I'm happy for the recent update for the JF-17!, could anyone explain to me the new option for the Drawing two airspace on HSD?

I looked into the lua file and what I saw is something like coordinates

 

Additionally, I would like to know if the JF have indent options/controls? 

Thank you!

 

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1vA4m1c7qS/?spm_id_from=333.1007.top_right_bar_window_history.content.click

[Schmidtfire]

Would it be possible to get a guide or video in English?

Edited April 11, 2024 by Schmidtfire

[Ditch3r]

8 hours ago, Schmidtfire said:

Would it be possible to get a guide or video in English?

 

 

[RyuKim]

1 hour ago, Ditch3r said:

 

 

18 hours ago, supersylph said:

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1vA4m1c7qS/?spm_id_from=333.1007.top_right_bar_window_history.content.click

Thank you for sharing this information!

[grampaita]

Does anyone know if the refuel probe affect the airplane physics? I was wondering if it's useful to take It off when you know you won't AAR or it doesn't change the FM so you can leave it attached

 

Thanks!

[supersylph]

10 hours ago, grampaita said:

有谁知道加油探头是否影响飞机物理？我想知道当你知道你不会 AAR 或者它不会改变 FM 所以你可以把它留在上面时，把它取下来是否有用

 

谢谢！

Installing it adds extra weight and fuel consumption.

[zerO_crash]

On 3/17/2024 at 1:55 PM, okopanja said:

The module is at the moment OK-ish when it comes to A-A (e.g. it has some unique features such as target size and front/back ECM. A-G there is a number of issues that await for fixing. If you use the glide bombs LS-6  on servers where "unrestricted sat nav" is not enabled, as red side you will face the problem of precision. It looks like ED thinks the degraded GPS signal is still a thing in 2024, but that was removed in 2000 IRL, and meanwhile GPS is so much widespread that turning degraded signal on would have severe consequences not only for enemy, but also allies (I would understand if they bring jammers and spoofers to the game).

Drawbacks in A-A include:

• subsonic speed (you need to climb/high dive to get it at about 1.3-1.6 Mach). This is visible both in attack and specially defending. Even the hornet will be able to catch you in a chase.
• missiles do not have INS in DCS (old API), so they require you to guide practically at least until the missile starts downward part of trajectory (otherwise they go stupid and even level the flight!)
• only 4 BVR missiles ( I typically fly with only 2: hit and run)

I started playing with it in September 2023 (I was very skeptical about it, and I regret that), and I must say I enjoy it despite the need for minor overhauls.

You are misunderstanding what "unrestricted satnav" is. It has nothing to do with terrain masking GPS-signal (counter to what it sounds like - degraded GPS is btw. a default feature in DCS which you cannot select/deselect).

 

Here is a an explanation what it is:

 

Simply put, it is about the availability of coalition GPS systems to one another.

 

Example: If the feature is off, then a Ka-50 will not recieve GPS signal from GLONASS (Russian GPS - Redfor) if it is put in the Bluefor. Equally, a F-18C will not have its GPS working, if it is under Redfor. That goes for any unit. Additionally, the GPS will not work if mission date is set to 28/03/1994 or before (there was no GPS before that).

 

As to degraded GPS, let's wait and see about Afghanistan. It was a place notoriously known for poor radio-transmissions (even modern equipment) as well as dark spots (no reception) for even aerial GPSs. For GPSs, it's particularly true where there is much metal in the natural rock composition. Even modern militaries have had problems with basic logistics there. I wouldn't call GPS reception quality as a thing of the past, especially since there are more places around the earth which have less coverage/reception problems.

 

That isn't mentioning e.g. the use of nuclear weapons in space in order to take out satellites with a EMP. This is a very real rehearsal. I was impressed by a recent US Congress hearing on Military posture, specifically air force, where one congressman mentioned the current overreliance on GPS and insufficient training with manual systems (INS and star trackers (mostly a thing of the past)).

Edited April 20, 2024 by zerO_crash

[okopanja]

5 hours ago, zerO_crash said:

You are misunderstanding what "unrestricted satnav" is. It has nothing to do with terrain masking GPS-signal (counter to what it sounds like - degraded GPS is btw. a default feature in DCS which you cannot select/deselect).

 

Here is a an explanation what it is:

 

In a separate topic related to the F-15E it was stated that Red does not have the same accuracy if this option is not enabled.

And btw, I am not sure what you are trying to tell me here.

Also note that there were some changes with weapons on JF-17 with last release (+ patches) that I have not yet tested.

[zerO_crash]

3 hours ago, okopanja said:

In a separate topic related to the F-15E it was stated that Red does not have the same accuracy if this option is not enabled.

And btw, I am not sure what you are trying to tell me here.

Also note that there were some changes with weapons on JF-17 with last release (+ patches) that I have not yet tested.

There is much misinformation around. According to ED, and the extract I linked, what you read on the F-15E forums is plain wrong. It was obviously a qualitative statement coming from a customer (non-official).

 

The main response was towards your statement that ED is hung up on degraded GPS which is a thing of the past. Obviously, my statement was towards that it is not. There are dependencies which make it relevant. (Reread what you wrote, and my response will make sense.)

 

The last paragraph is off. I didn't comment on patches or JF-17 weapons.

[Черный Скиталец]

Hello everyone!

Is there any way to switch SD10 missles in boresight mode for close combat? just like i can use aim120 on my hornet in BS mode to kill targets close to me

when i press 3 it switches in dogfight, but only PL5 missles can be used, i don't need them, i need sd10

thanks

[tekwoj]

1 hour ago, Черный Скиталец said:

Hello everyone!

Is there any way to switch SD10 missles in boresight mode for close combat? just like i can use aim120 on my hornet in BS mode to kill targets close to me

when i press 3 it switches in dogfight, but only PL5 missles can be used, i don't need them, i need sd10

thanks

Press switch weapon (S8) bind, should switch to sd-10.

[Черный Скиталец]

3 hours ago, tekwoj said:

Press switch weapon (S8) bind, should switch to sd-10.

oh... i was trying another combination... thanks, thanks a lot, it works

[Napillo]

now we need the RAAD

 

[AeriaGloria]

On 7/5/2024 at 12:10 PM, Napillo said:

now we need the RAAD

 

This must be new? 

[Napillo]

It's a new photo of a RAAD on a Block II JF-17 (#211).

Edited July 15, 2024 by Napillo

[AeriaGloria]

On 3/24/2024 at 2:06 PM, MelonenBuby said:

Some other featuares are also missing / not simulated (meaning i don't know if these have any functionality/are simulated):

- IRST (infra-red search and track) from Block III
- ACMI (Air Combat Manoeuvering Instrumentation (Flight Data Recorder)): i don't know if there can be any functionality
- VRC (Video Recorder settings)
- P.U (Position Update)
- Flight Test I, Flight Test II, REC and RESET on FCS-Panel
- P.H (pitot heat) TEST on MISC-Panel
- CSS (Canopy Severance System) handle on the left: makes no difference when ejecting
- Radio (through COMM-Panel and UFCP and some are not possible in DCS i think):
  - Sqelch Acknowledge
  - ADF (Automatic Directional Finder)
  - Radio Modulation (Encryption): CMS and TRS
  - Encrypted Radio Network (NE- and NES) and Mode (SLAV and MAST)

If you know if these things work and how they work please tell me!

Flight test does work. Press the switch, and HUD will say BIT while control surfaces move on the ground. After a bit it ends. 

[Red_Dragon]

I have took JF17 as 2 week free aircraft. This bird is really amazing (both as plane and DCS module) ! BTW I 've started even looking for suitable redfor squadron with JF17 pilots and it seems it is not easy task . But.. I wonder will the canopy be cleaned? I mean now we have option for reflex setting and it seems this DCS options doesn't work for JF17. Also back area of canopy glass is kind of cloudy 

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I have weak eyes and it can really be tiring, is it possible to have this feature as option?null

Edited August 4, 2024 by Red_Dragon

[razo+r]

Just now, Red_Dragon said:

I have took JF17 as 2 week free aircraft. This bird is really amazing (both as plane and DCS module) ! BTW I 've started even looking for suitable redfor and it seems it is not easy task . But.. I wonder will the canopy be cleaned? I mean now we have option for reflex setting and it seems this DCS options doesn't work for JF17. Also back area of canopy glass is kind of cloudy 

null

I have weak eyes and it can really be tiring, is it possible to have this feature as option?null

The JF-17 is the only aircraft in DCS with canopy fogging simulated. Try using the defog button on your right panel by the ECS knobs.