DCS: MiG-23MLA by RAZBAM

[Kev2go]

I'm a bit confused because I thought razbam had a year ago (or more) ago statedthe project was scrapped because ed didn't give them a liscense to make the mig23mla within dcs. ( and the whole drama of speculating that someone else was already going to make one)

[Sarraceno]

I'm a bit confused because I thought razbam had a year ago (or more) ago statedthe project was scrapped because ed didn't give them a liscense to make the mig23mla within dcs. ( and the whole drama of speculating that someone else was already going to make one)

 

Who cares? Yes is a bit confusing but hey... They are making it!

[Kev2go]

Indeed.

 

And it would have been interesting to know if the outcome would have been any different if the two Mig-23s in the Sidra encounter had been had been Second gen Mig-23s (P,ML,MLA,MLD) flown by experienced well trained pilots.

 

 

As its possible the fight might have been different had that been the case considering how close they got to eachother.

 

Since the First missile launched by the F-14s that hit was launched about 8km

(third Aim-7 launched as the first two that were launched at 22km and 19 km had missed)

 

so that was well within the Capability of the R-23 or R-24 in a head on engagement

 

(Especially in the case of a R-24 as it could probably

 

have fired at around the time of the first or second shots taken by the F-14s)

 

so it would have at the very least been an exchange of missiles instead of the

 

one sided affair it was against the Libyans.

 

 

 

The F-14s would still have had the advantage but it would certainly have made for a much more even engagement.

 

 

 

The engagement would have been less 1 sided. But f14 woyld still have an upper hand.

 

Iran iraq war gave a better glimpse how deadly the f14 was. f14s had considerable ammount of confirmed kills in that war were from the mig23 family of Aircraft and iraq did have mig23mla variants in service as pointed out some or which were refitted with countermeasures.

Edited August 9, 2018 by Kev2go

[MrDieing]

I'm a bit confused because I thought razbam had a year ago (or more) ago statedthe project was scrapped because ed didn't give them a liscense to make the mig23mla within dcs. ( and the whole drama of speculating that someone else was already going to make one)

 

 

They jumped the gun on announcing that they were doing a MiG-23. ED was unaware of this or had not yet given permission, now ED has done that (whether that was a simple question of processing the license or another party dropping it from their roadmap we do not know) and they are fully licensed (and thus permitted) by ED to make the MiG-23 :)

[Zeus67]

I am a little confused with ETA for Mig-23 after see many modules in the work table of Razbam. Who come first?

MiG-19P comes first, then MiG-23MLA.

[pepin1234]

Thank you Sr.

[Alpenwolf]

Do negative G's kill the engine of the MiG-23 as it's the issue with the MiG-21?

[pepin1234]

Do negative G's kill the engine of the MiG-23 as it's the issue with the MiG-21?

 

 

 

This is an issue of the inexperienced pilots. If that happen often to you, try to take care about your throttle position in certain situation...

Edited August 16, 2018 by pepin1234

[pngflyer]

Here’s a great article for you fans of the 27. Enjoy.

 

https://hushkit.net/2018/08/15/flying-and-fighting-in-the-mig-27-interview-with-a-mig-pilot/

 

pngflyer

[Prowler111]

They jumped the gun on announcing that they were doing a MiG-23. ED was unaware of this or had not yet given permission, now ED has done that (whether that was a simple question of processing the license or another party dropping it from their roadmap we do not know) and they are fully licensed (and thus permitted) by ED to make the MiG-23 :)

I'm sorry, your statement is completely wrong

But at the end of the day, we are developing a MiG-23 MLA!

[rainyday]

Here’s a great article for you fans of the 27. Enjoy.

 

https://hushkit.net/2018/08/15/flying-and-fighting-in-the-mig-27-interview-with-a-mig-pilot/

 

pngflyer

 

Thanks for this - interesting read :thumbup:

 

Have to say, Mig-23 and Mig-19 are amongst the modules I'm looking forwards the most at the moment. I've been quite unfamiliar with them before but after some research they seem like characterful and cool planes.

[MrDieing]

I'm sorry, your statement is completely wrong

 

Sorry about that, it was more assuming, not really a statement.

 

But at the end of the day, we are developing a MiG-23 MLA!

 

At the end of the day, thats all that matters

[QuiGon]

Sorry about that, it was more assuming, not really a statement.

You were not the only one assuming that ;)

[Bogey Jammer]

I'm sorry, your statement is completely wrong

What's the truth then ?

[Prowler111]

What's the truth then ?

Nothing i can comment freely

[Kev2go]

This is an issue of the inexperienced pilots. If that happen often to you, try to take care about your throttle position in certain situation...

 

 

 

Perhaps, but i wouldnt judge to harshly But its understandable why this is annoying to some pilots when non of the other fixed wing aircraft so far aircraft are handicapped with such limitation.

 

 

 

At the end of the day means you have to have a have a habit to flip aircraft upside down for more rapid maneuvers in combat, or for non combat, push down on your stick in a very gentle manner for descent

Edited August 18, 2018 by Kev2go

[Alpenwolf]

This is an issue of the inexperienced pilots. If that happen often to you, try to take care about your throttle position in certain situation...

Who said it happens to me?! Was that my question? NO

[Vilab]

Do negative G's kill the engine of the MiG-23 as it's the issue with the MiG-21?

 

This is an issue of the inexperienced pilots. If that happen often to you, try to take care about your throttle position in certain situation...

 

 

the "issue" with the mig-21 has nothing to do with throttle management, but lack of G ( positive or negative )

 

the engine will stop if the plane wistand 0 G for too long, so you have to either only pitch down to 0.5G, or pitch down hard enough to get -0.5G

 

in negative G, the engine is only limited by the low amount of fuel which is available in negative G ( arround 6 sec in full burner, compared to arround 15 sec in M2K-C )

[Alpenwolf]

the "issue" with the mig-21 has nothing to do with throttle management, but lack of G ( positive or negative )

 

the engine will stop if the plane wistand 0 G for too long, so you have to either only pitch down to 0.5G, or pitch down hard enough to get -0.5G

 

in negative G, the engine is only limited by the low amount of fuel which is available in negative G ( arround 6 sec in full burner, compared to arround 15 sec in M2K-C )

Exactly. I'm aware of that actually, only maybe I didn't express myself well enough. Does the MiG-23 have the same engine issue like the MiG-21?

[Bogey Jammer]

What engine issue ?

[BeastyBaiter]

Does this even matter IRL or in game? 6 seconds is a stupid long time to be doing 0 or negative G.

[dFlow]

it does, if you aren't aware of it, or you are in this situation (no matter the reason) you might be surprised by an dying engine!

 

so the question is not about one self not being able to fly this thing, it is about what to care about by flying this plane

[Alpenwolf]

it does, if you aren't aware of it, or you are in this situation (no matter the reason) you might be surprised by an dying engine!

 

so the question is not about one self not being able to fly this thing, it is about what to care about by flying this plane

You seem the only one to understand the question, while everyone else's playing it all pro on me. People love to feel superior, I guess. Very misplaced ego.

[dFlow]

thanks alpenwolf, i see the question as a relevant one.

and i think the answers of different people were just dumb ...

 

think of buying a car and you ask if it comes with servo motors for steering - and get the answer "everybody knows how to steer the car - use the steering wheel" - whoa buddy, good one :thumbup:

 

so is there a good answer for that question ?

[Bogey Jammer]

It's probably written in a manual but I've not found one yet.

Since it's a hit and run aircraft, dogfighting was avoided at all cost, so the engine fuel feed wasn't probably secured during the useless negative G maneuvers.

Expect it to flameout easily. It's a bad ass engine for the aircraft size and weight, and it's thirsty.

There is also something related to air intakes. It is said that the MiG-21's one wasn't efficient during high AoA and could stall the engine more easily. To be confirmed.

Anyway, negative Gs are bad for every aircraft engine. Su-27 can flameout too.