New Focus on AA from ED

[TomCatMucDe]

Recently, Wags stated that the JHMCS is the new priority. He probably means it wont come after the early access as originally planned. This makes sense when you have such a broad FOV on the AIM9X.

 

With the recent addition of AIM120 (hopefuly the TWS mode soon as well), AIM9X, IFF and the news about JHMCS, it looks like there is an intention to finish the AA capabilities asap.

 

If this is true, I would be a happy simmer, since I am mostly an AA guy :)

[backspace340]

I'm hoping we get some proper radar improvements soon - they mentioned LTWS as being on the priority list for July & August, but not heard anything since (and now JHMCS which was on the list for 'after' that set of priorities is now priority #1, so assuming LTWS has slipped). It's also still impossible to crank using the Hornet radar without dropping the lock. Not much point getting AIM-9X and JHMCS if we get murdered before we can use them.

[Eviscerador]

The point about the hornet is being able to fulfil AA and AG roles. For me the hornet won't be complete till both modes are fully fleshed.

 

And since I'm more of a ground pounder than a sky surfer, I don't like the AA priority.

 

But I guess for the Eagle pilots it will be welcomed.

[Doum76]

The point about the hornet is being able to fulfil AA and AG roles. For me the hornet won't be complete till both modes are fully fleshed.

 

And since I'm more of a ground pounder than a sky surfer, I don't like the AA priority.

 

But I guess for the Eagle pilots it will be welcomed.

 

 

 

 

Gotta with the fact that AA stuff has been pretty much around for a while, as the A/G radar has been a challenge since day 1 of the Hornet, so i presume priorities are maybe what they know can be finished faster.. but agian, i just throw this in the air.

[QuiGon]

Recently, Wags stated that the JHMCS is the new priority. He probably means it wont come after the early access as originally planned. This makes sense when you have such a broad FOV on the AIM9X.

 

With the recent addition of AIM120 (hopefuly the TWS mode soon as well), AIM9X, IFF and the news about JHMCS, it looks like there is an intention to finish the AA capabilities asap.

 

If this is true, I would be a happy simmer, since I am mostly an AA guy :)

I'm mostly an AG guy so I'm not happy with that. I want my LGBs, JDAMs, Harpoons, HARMs and especially the TGP ;)

[TomCatMucDe]

I'm mostly an AG guy so I'm not happy with that. I want my LGBs, JDAMs, Harpoons, HARMs and especially the TGP ;)

 

I think you will get the LGB in the next weeks, but without self lasing.

[muehlema]

I'm mostly an AG guy so I'm not happy with that. I want my LGBs, JDAMs, Harpoons, HARMs and especially the TGP ;)

 

Swiss Air Force is completely AA with their Hornet, except Axalp shooting. So me as former Swiss Air Force officer - Totally happy with AA ;)

[QuiGon]

Swiss Air Force is completely AA with their Hornet, except Axalp shooting. So me as former Swiss Air Force officer - Totally happy with AA ;)

Yeah, I know that, although I've never really understood why. Seems like a waste of capabilities to me. :huh:

[Buckeye]

Favoring towards the AA stuff makes sense from a big picture perspective...it's ED's first full fidelity fighter (albeit truly a multi role), and there are already other great hi-fi ground pounding modules available.

[wilbur81]

I like both A/A and A/G as well, but I've been fascinated with A/A the longest and, in my opinion as a simmer, and in talking with a real F-16 and Hornet pilot, A/A is more challenging. That's another reason why I like A/A a bit better. The Hornet will be most pleasing to me in the near future when the radar is both complete and more efficient. I find it really challenging at this point to get my head out of the Hornet cockpit when in a fight that has missiles. I LOVE guns-only duels because it gets down to pilot skill, aircraft performance, and it's personal.

 

Off topic: I'm really bummed Razbam is doing the Strike Eagle varient. I SO was hoping for a full-fidelity F-15C. There's only one American combat jet that looked good and natural with a backseat....only ONE. And Heatblur is taking care of that one. ;-)

Edited August 24, 2018 by wilbur81

[Eviscerador]

Favoring towards the AA stuff makes sense from a big picture perspective...it's ED's first full fidelity fighter (albeit truly a multi role), and there are already other great hi-fi ground pounding modules available.

 

F5 Tiger 2, Mig 21, Mirage 2000 are full fidelity fighters.

[QuiGon]

Off topic: I'm really bummed Razbam is doing the Strike Eagle varient. I SO was hoping for a full-fidelity F-15C. There's only one American combat jet that looked good and natural with a backseat....only ONE. And Heatblur is taking care of that one. ;-)

The F-4 is beeing done by Belsimtek/ED ;)

 

I know you meant the F-14.

[wilbur81]

The F-4 is beeing done by Belsimtek/ED ;)

 

I know you meant the F-14.

 

Touche' :thumbup:

 

Good point! Sorry to get off topic, Moderators!

[Greyhound11]

I think the AG stuff is just so much harder to actually design coding-wise. Hopefully we get there.

[muehlema]

Yeah, I know that, although I've never really understood why. Seems like a waste of capabilities to me. :huh:

 

As we fly them from 08:00 to 12:00 and from 14:00 to 17:00, we don't need anything else than fuel, high G and pull the limits - no time for other things like night strikes ;)

[Greyhound11]

no debriefs in between, just naps and coffee

[QuiGon]

As we fly them from 08:00 to 12:00 and from 14:00 to 17:00, we don't need anything else than fuel, high G and pull the limits - no time for other things like night strikes ;)

:lol:

[SonofEil]

Dang. I opened this thread hoping ED announced a new focus to fix their abominable Anti Aliasing. :(

But I agree, A/A is obviously their current focus and JHMC will be an awesome addition.

[RaceFuel85]

Eh...I get it...but I was really wanting the Harm before the JHMCS...

 

Flying Iron Hand would be newer to DCS than more A/A focus in the Hornet..but I get that most people just populate dogfight servers and such and aren't about a big picture mindset.

[muehlema]

:lol:

 

 

oh, and I forgot. Swiss Air Force offices are closed on weekends. Please no infrictions during that time ;)

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Which focus on A/A? Given that radar-guided A/A missiles needed some serious attention (people have been complaining about them for over 15 years), it's only fair they get addressed.

 

I see it as just common sense, since a lot of other modules (including the upcoming F-14) will seriously benefit from the new guidance logic, drag parameters etc.

[FZG_Immel]

As we fly them from 08:00 to 12:00 and from 14:00 to 17:00, we don't need anything else than fuel, high G and pull the limits - no time for other things like night strikes ;)

 

to be honest the real reason is that there isnt enough airframes and flight time available to have pilots train and be competent in both AA and AG, hence the focus on AA.

[Mad_Max2]

It all starts with A2A in the Hornet (any fighter really)... If you can't stay in the sky and fend for yourself, then you'll never make it to A2G. This is especially true in MP where the Eagles like to hunt. I'm a ground pounder myself, and am dying for the rest of the goods in that dept. but understand the work that has been done. Plus, it's not like they're just working on A2A, LGB's will be coming soon.

[Beamscanner]

Awesome post Beam!

 

A few doubts:

 

Hostile status is only obtained by PLID or by datalink if the linking platform did the PLID before. Is this correct?

 

Unknown status is what we actually call hostile, right? A contact that didnt reply the correct interrogation code or did not replied at all, but doesnt exactly mean hostile. Correct?

 

I didnt actually understood the datalink symbols. Care to explain? :)

 

 

Thanks.

 

So at first I thought you could only make a trackfile hostile manualy in the SA page (all trackfiles that do not respond to mode 4 being labeled as unknown). But after further reading, you can actually setup your own HAFU logic. So if you wanted be very liberal (and risky) you could make trackfiles lacking a mode 4 response automatically hostile by setting up the "Rules of Engagement Programming Format" (A whole DDI Page called "ROE PROG")

 

You could make no mode 4 but yes mode 2, unknown. etc.. there's alot of flexibility. hence why ED needs to work on their IFF logic.

 

Unfortunately as per rule 1.16 I cannot show you the basic graphs with datalink symbols.

 

Just know that there are symbols for pretty much everything. In general though, friendlies on the same link 16 Net can be "members" or "donors". A member recieves data and only transmits their own aircraft info (alt, mach, head, position, fuel, weapons, etc). Donors (indicated by the large dot on their track) do everything a member does, but also transmits sensor data (like radar contacts).

 

 

EDIT: my datalink picture isnt 100% correct. Its missing altitude info for both the friendly and the unknown DL tracks.

Edited August 24, 2018 by Beamscanner

[Eldur]

There's only one American combat jet that looked good and natural with a backseat....only ONE. And Heatblur is taking care of that one. ;-)

 

I didn't even know the PA-200 is American.

 

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As for the topic: AA is just there for being able to defend yourselves against possibly appearing airborne adversaries while you do your real job, which is moving mud. So basically this is just like bashing and smashing mosquitoes while you just try to sleep

 

And the real truth about Swiss non-AG Hornets is just the fact that they're ferrying around cheese and chocolate to justify those uncredibly lunartic price tags, so there's just no room for real ordnance

 

(Personal recommendation: Le Gruyere & Cailler)