gary palmer Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 when front wheel touches down on runway the NWS comes on automatically. I do not like this as it is tooo sensitive at touchdown where aircraft is still moving at a higher speed. Is there anything I can do to ensure it does not come on automatically upon touchdown, so that I can enable it when aircraft is moving much slower manually? Thx...Gary
Svsmokey Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 I am unaware of any "auto" method . I do so manually immediately on touchdown and before takeoff . Not the Natops way , but it does fall within pilot's discretion .:) 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2
Eaglewings Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 I am not sure there is a way to do this beside manually deactivating it Increasing the deadzone for rudder axis does help considerably in reducing sensitivity. Windows 10 Pro 64bit|Ryzen 5600 @3.8Ghz|EVGA RTX 3070 XC3 Ultra|Corair vengence 32G DDR4 @3200mhz|MSI B550|Thrustmaster Flightstick| Virpil CM3 Throttle| Thrustmaster TFRP Rudder Pedal /Samsung Odyssey Plus Headset
Svend_Dellepude Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 I am not sure there is a way to do this beside manually deactivating it Increasing the deadzone for rudder axis does help considerably in reducing sensitivity. +1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD.
BuzzU Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 I am unaware of any "auto" method . I do so manually immediately on touchdown and before takeoff . Not the Natops way , but it does fall within pilot's discretion .:) How are you doing that? When you're on the ground you have NWS on your HUD. You can add Hi to it when going to high gain steering but you can't remove the NWS from your HUD until you lift off and it goes off automatically. It then comes back on when you touch down. How are you turning it off on the ground? Buzz
rrohde Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 How are you doing that? When you're on the ground you have NWS on your HUD. You can add Hi to it when going to high gain steering but you can't remove the NWS from your HUD until you lift off and it goes off automatically. It then comes back on when you touch down. How are you turning it off on the ground? You can assign that to your controller; it's a multifunction toggle, that disables the A/P while airborne, and NWS on the ground (forgot the name in DCS' settings, sorry). PC: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | MSI Suprim GeForce 3090 TI | ASUS Prime X570-P | 128GB DDR4 3600 RAM | 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD | Win10 Pro 64bit Gear: HP Reverb G2 | JetPad FSE | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk.III w/ MCG Ultimate VKBcontrollers.com
Eaglewings Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) When on the ground the Autopilot/Nose wheel steering Disengage(Paddle) switch mapped to 'A' on the keyboard toggles NWS On and Off. In the air, this switch toggle Off the autopilot. Edited October 5, 2018 by Eaglewings Windows 10 Pro 64bit|Ryzen 5600 @3.8Ghz|EVGA RTX 3070 XC3 Ultra|Corair vengence 32G DDR4 @3200mhz|MSI B550|Thrustmaster Flightstick| Virpil CM3 Throttle| Thrustmaster TFRP Rudder Pedal /Samsung Odyssey Plus Headset
BuzzU Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 You're right. I just fooled with it and got this. On the ground, the NWS is on. Pushing the S key will give hi gain steering as long as you hold down the S key. Pushing the A key will turn off the NWS. Pushing the A key more times will do nothing. To turn NWS back on you need to push the S key. Pushing the S key again and you get high gain steering again. So, to turn the NWS steering off and on and also turn high gain steering too you need to program the A and S keys to buttons or just use the keyboard. Buzz
gary palmer Posted October 6, 2018 Author Posted October 6, 2018 thx all for your input... I have adjusted rudder deadzone from a 4 to an 8 and is much less sensitive for NWS upon touchdown. No left right oscillation. with HI NWS if you enable it; and even see the words HI NWS on HUD; it will not work at high rate of turn (which I believe is about 75 degrees of turn) unless aircraft is moving at a very low speed...needs to be below a specific minimum speed of aircraft travel before HI NWS happens. hope that helps...Gary
raelias Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 Regular NWS should have a gain based on speed as well so it doesnt go crazy as you accelerate or just after touchdown, it probably disables itself past a certain speed, commercial aircraft do it so Im making an assumption the hornet has the same logic, might be wrong but would be nice Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf
David OC Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 Regular NWS should have a gain based on speed as well so it doesnt go crazy as you accelerate or just after touchdown, it probably disables itself past a certain speed, commercial aircraft do it so Im making an assumption the hornet has the same logic, might be wrong but would be nice It can happen IRL;) i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link
gary palmer Posted October 7, 2018 Author Posted October 7, 2018 Thanks Raelis....with DCS F18 is no gain feature according to speed of travel ...is off, on normal rate or hi rate. NWS will turn off automatically when taking off once front wheel comes off the tarmac....gary
bbrz Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) Regular NWS should have a gain based on speed as well so it doesnt go crazy as you accelerate or just after touchdown, it probably disables itself past a certain speed, commercial aircraft do it. Which commercial aircraft ? I'm not aware of e.g. any Boeing or Airbus which have this feature. Usually steering angle is around 6deg (low gain) with the pedals and 60deg (high gain) with the steering tiller. I don't have any problems with the NWS in the DCS Hornet nor IRL with other aircraft. edit: just checked the NATOPS manual and in the F/A-18 low gain is 16° and high gain is 75°. There's apparently no automatic switch over. Edited October 7, 2018 by bbrz i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070
raelias Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Which commercial aircraft ? I'm not aware of e.g. any Boeing or Airbus which have this feature. Usually steering angle is around 6deg (low gain) with the pedals and 60deg (high gain) with the steering tiller. I don't have any problems with the NWS in the DCS Hornet nor IRL with other aircraft. edit: just checked the NATOPS manual and in the F/A-18 low gain is 16° and high gain is 75°. There's apparently no automatic switch over. You might have misunderstood, on the airbus a320 at least the pedals NWS (Low gain as you described) the reduces its gain and max angle as speed goes up until it totally disabled at certain speed Like I said I would ASSUME the hornet you have something similar but it's just a guess, if it does't have this kind of feature it doesnt make any sense for it to come on even at low gain at touchdown, sounds like something very dangerous Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf
bbrz Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 You might have misunderstood, on the airbus a320 at least the pedals NWS (Low gain as you described) the reduces its gain and max angle as speed goes up until it totally disabled at certain speed Like I said I would ASSUME the hornet you have something similar but it's just a guess, if it does't have this kind of feature it doesnt make any sense for it to come on even at low gain at touchdown, sounds like something very dangerous Why should this be dangerous? E.g. on the 747, 767, A300, A310 this is simply a mechanical connection which always turns the nosewheel by a fixed amount when using the pedals. On the A320 it's a typical 'new' Airbus feature and it feels rather strange IRL. On the A340 it feels even worse because it is acting different during landing than during takeoff! Takeoff > no NWS above 150kts and full deflection up to 100kts but during landing you don't get any NWS above 100kts. i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070
raelias Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 Why should this be dangerous? E.g. on the 747, 767, A300, A310 this is simply a mechanical connection which always turns the nosewheel by a fixed amount when using the pedals. On the A320 it's a typical 'new' Airbus feature and it feels rather strange IRL. On the A340 it feels even worse because it is acting different during landing than during takeoff! Takeoff > no NWS above 150kts and full deflection up to 100kts but during landing you don't get any NWS above 100kts. What do you mean it feels kind of strange IRL? No it doesn't it makes perfect sense you don't need steering imput if you have enough IAS on the rudder Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf
bbrz Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 What do you mean it feels kind of strange IRL? No it doesn't... Depends on the pilot, I and many other pilots simply don't like it. I much preferred e.g. the straight 767 way since I (usually) know what I'm doing and I don't like a computer which continuously alters the behavior of the aircraft! Feels as artificial and lifeless like the rest of the FBW system. i7-7700K 4.2GHz, 16GB, GTX 1070
raelias Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 Well i would disagree, it feels very natural and doesnt change the behavior at all, on the contrary it makes it bahave the same regardless of speed, you dont even feel it doing it. Like you said tho some might disagree We are getting off track tho, question is if the hornet as a fbw jet has this feature of not Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf
gary palmer Posted October 11, 2018 Author Posted October 11, 2018 Thanks Raelis....with DCS F18 is no gain feature according to speed of travel ...is off, on normal rate or hi rate. NWS will turn off automatically when taking off once front wheel comes off the tarmac....gary F18 has no gain feature, NWS come on when front wheel touches down and turns off when front wheel comes off the ground upon take off ... is all automatic unless pilot turns off NWS upon touchdown manually...
Goa Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 I am also looking for this feature, expcially on take off CPU : Intel i7 8700k@5.0ghz cooled by Noctua NH-D15 / Motherboard:Asorck Z370 Taichi / RAM: 32GB GSkill TridentZ @3600mhz / SSD: 500GB Nvme Samsung 970 evo+1 TB Sabrent Nvme M2 / GPU:Asus Strix OC 2080TI / Monitor: LG 34KG950F Ultrawide / Trackir 5 proclip/ VIRPIL CM2 BASE + CM2 GRIP + F148 GRIP + 200M EXTENSION /VKB T-Rudder MKIV rudder /Case: Fractal Design R6 Define black
raelias Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 F18 has no gain feature, NWS come on when front wheel touches down and turns off when front wheel comes off the ground upon take off ... is all automatic unless pilot turns off NWS upon touchdown manually... Good to know thanks Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf
Flamin_Squirrel Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 If you're struggling with directional control the solution isn't (or shouldn't) be to turn off the NWS. It means something else is wrong, most likely controller settings. You could concentrate on fixing that IMO, otherwise you're treating a symptom rather than the cause of your difficulties.
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