New MiG-29A, G and S variant diffrences ?

[Satarosa]

Now INGAME

 

 

MiG-29A and MiG-29G differences?

 

 

-Skin

-Engines improvement by Germany in version G ?

 

 

MiG-29A and MiG-29S differences?

 

 

-Skin

-Weapons: R77 for the version S

-Radar: TWS DUAL for the version S

 

 

 

 

Do you know others differences for the 3 versions of the MiG-29 ?

Radar range? Motor? Systems? Visual ?

Edited October 11, 2018 by Satarosa

[Rudel_chw]

29S has internal ECM, slightly more internal fuel.

 

29G is a 29A with engines slightly downgraded, limited to R-27Rs only (no T/ET/ER) for BVR. it uses feet/knots for the displays EXCEPT for target range, that's still in KM. Limited to rockets only for air to ground.

[Satarosa]

!?

 

29S has internal ECM, slightly more internal fuel.

 

 

Totally false, all new DCS version of MiG-29 have an integrated ecm !

 

 

29G is a 29A with engines slightly downgraded, limited to R-27Rs only (no T/ET/ER) for BVR. it uses feet/knots for the displays EXCEPT for target range, that's still in KM. Limited to rockets only for air to ground.

 

 

Totally false, the new version of the MiG-29G has exactly the same armament as the MiG-29A !

For the engine normally it's the opposite because in reality the German version has been slightly improved their engine ?

[Satarosa]

Beware of former users of MiG-29, here we compare the new difference of the three versions. Do not talk about old differences from old version ..

[Kev2go]

Totally false, all new DCS version of MiG-29 have an integrated ecm !

 

 

 

 

 

Totally false, the new version of the MiG-29G has exactly the same armament as the MiG-29A !

For the engine normally it's the opposite because in reality the German version has been slightly improved their engine ?

 

 

Why would it. Rl mig29a and g dont have internal ecm

[Satarosa]

I know here we compare the version of the game only.

 

Nothing prevents you to improve realism for all players, to report any errors to Eagles and Dynamics.

 

I think the cockpit is too much, copy pasted, while there are some real differences in the different version.

[Satarosa]

Test to see, there may be differences that I did not find ..

 

For the difference in fuel capacity I have not tested ..

 

The G version I do not know if the HUD is still able imprerial of Russian metric system ??

 

For the engine performance of the 3 MiG-29 who can see in the files lua of the game if there is a difference programmed?

[Satarosa]

" There really is no such thing as a "MiG-29G" - its a designation that Luftwaffe assigned to it("G" for Germany) after they inherited a number of former East German airframes(warsaw pact 9.12 version) and modified them for NATO compliance. The corresponding designation for the -UB(two-seat trainer version) is "MiG-29GT".

 

The modifications were rather subtle including:

 

- de-tuning the engines for increased lifetime

- modification to the fuel-system(allowing wing drop-tanks)

- radio equipment

- instrument read-out in imperial units(knots, feet etc)

- cockpit labeling, instruments, warning lamps and Ekran in English

- voice warnings in German. "

 

 

What's about ingame?

[Esac_mirmidon]

Rudel was talking about REAL Migs.

 

You dont need to ask something you already know and then use bold letters to say something is "totally false"

 

Wierd attitude mate. You should change the thread title to "DCS differences"

[Satarosa]

Yes sorry the subject deals with the differences in the game DCS WOLRD, and so the affiramtions were false compared to the new model of mig 29.

 

We are looking together to know the real difference in the game between the three different models.

People must test and control before affirming for the sake of collective knowledge..

[Esac_mirmidon]

Inside DCS there are no differences, only 3D model, skins, R-77 and "maybe" internal fuel capacity between A-S, not tested yed.

 

But as far as i know there are no differences between 29´s in DCS. Even the A cockpit has the ECM front panel when is obvious the real one has not. But ingame the Mig-29A CANT use ECM. At least this is correct.

Edited October 11, 2018 by Esac_mirmidon

[Rudel_chw]

Anyway ... it seems that the MiG-29G is no longer in the game, cant find it :(

 

 

Edit: nevermind, forgot to set the country to "Germany" :)

[Satarosa]

Are you sure the A and G, CAN NOT use ECM ?

 

Because there is a setup key in the contrôle commande for this, Need testing to confirm..

[Esac_mirmidon]

Inside cockpit E key does nothing.

 

So no. ECM is not available for that models.

[Satarosa]

Ok thank you so much

[Kev2go]

" There really is no such thing as a "MiG-29G" - its a designation that Luftwaffe assigned to it("G" for Germany) after they inherited a number of former East German airframes(warsaw pact 9.12 version) and modified them for NATO compliance. The corresponding designation for the -UB(two-seat trainer version) is "MiG-29GT".

 

The modifications were rather subtle including:

 

- de-tuning the engines for increased lifetime

- modification to the fuel-system(allowing wing drop-tanks)

- radio equipment

- instrument read-out in imperial units(knots, feet etc)

- cockpit labeling, instruments, warning lamps and Ekran in English

- voice warnings in German. "

 

 

What's about ingame?

 

 

So yes There is a thing called Mig29G, you just described it. AS it received an Official Designation ( and not an assumption made what vehicle designation is by a foreign country)

 

 

However theres more to it. Navigiation Systems are also changed out to work with Nato standardized types such TACAN , new INS system, as well as IFF mode 4 being installed.

 

all in all the Mig29G is different enough to warrant a Cockpit remodel. Because as of now A/G/S models have the same copy paste cockpit.

Edited October 12, 2018 by Kev2go

[JanRalle]

Mig-29G has German voice warnings ingame :)

[Alfa]

So yes There is a thing called Mig29G, you just described it. AS it received an Official Designation ( and not an assumption made what vehicle designation is by a foreign country)

 

Its not an official designation - these are made by the manufacturer(in this case MIG). "MiG-29G" is an unofficial designation assigned by the Luftwaffe - "G" for "Germany" and "GT" for "Germany-Trainer" - to denote modifications made by them.

[Kev2go]

Its not an official designation - these are made by the manufacturer(in this case MIG). "MiG-29G" is an unofficial designation assigned by the Luftwaffe - "G" for "Germany" and "GT" for "Germany-Trainer" - to denote modifications made by them.

 

 

 

Yes thanks Captain obvious, given the earlier discussion anyone who can use mouse scroll can see this.. However on the latter bit is nothing more than your personal opinion trying to argue over semantics.

 

It is certainly an official designation if it is one given by the Luftwaffe for the modifications made by Germany to the Mig29A they had in post Cold war era. I dont see why Germany would need official Blessing of the Kremlin to determine what designation is deemed official or not, when it is no longer using all of the exact avionics suite that a Russian Mig would have.

 

Even when Germany handed the migs to the Polish, the Mig29G designation was still used.

Edited October 12, 2018 by Kev2go

[Alfa]

Yes thanks Captain obvious, given the earlier discussion anyone who can use mouse scroll can see this.. However on the latter bit is nothing more than your personal opinion trying to argue over semantics.

 

He was quoting me and out of context. The original reply was in response to a question about whether there is any difference in the flight control system between the real "MiG-29A" and "MiG-29G", to which I replied that there isn't because the "MiG-29G" is an "MiG-29A" - i.e. that its not an actual separate version, but just a slightly modified MiG-29A.

 

It is certainly an official designation if it is one given by the Luftwaffe for the modifications made by Germany to the Mig29A they had in post Cold war era. I dont see why Germany would need official Blessing of the Kremlin to determine what designation is deemed official or not, when it is no longer using all of the exact avionics suite that a Russian Mig would have.

 

Bollocks. You can call it semantics if you like, but an official designation is one assigned by the manufacturer - not by "the Kremlin" or what an operator likes to call it.

[Siegfried]

THe S version don't let me use helmet mounted lock and the A version does. Maybe a problem with my controls assigns?

 

EDIT: Problem solved, I can use helmet in both.

Edited October 13, 2018 by Siegfried

[Esac_mirmidon]

Yes.

 

I can use the Helmet on both.

[Satarosa]

The cockpit has to be change for the différent variantes..

[Gierasimov]

There comes a little bit of disappointment.

 

" There really is no such thing as a "MiG-29G" - its a designation that Luftwaffe assigned to it("G" for Germany) after they inherited a number of former East German airframes(warsaw pact 9.12 version) and modified them for NATO compliance. The corresponding designation for the -UB(two-seat trainer version) is "MiG-29GT".

 

The modifications were rather subtle including:

 

- de-tuning the engines for increased lifetime

- modification to the fuel-system(allowing wing drop-tanks)

- radio equipment

- instrument read-out in imperial units(knots, feet etc)

- cockpit labeling, instruments, warning lamps and Ekran in English

- voice warnings in German. "

 

 

What's about ingame?

 

That's a shame that the MiG-29 still uses Russian cockpit and metric units system. While it is easy to learn cockpit I would love to see gauges and the hud to be scaled out in imperial units. Shame it isn't.

[Satarosa]

What about the radar, any difference of range and angle for the MiG-29A and MiG-29S?