JG27_Arklight Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 this is a community forum for me to express and discuss my views and opinions along with other peoples. i do Not have to do it in a professional productive matter. This "community forum" is privately owned, therefore, you must act within the guidelines specified in the forum rules. Ark ------------------ Windows 10 Pro x64 9900K @ 5ghz Gigabyte Aorus Master Z390 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB CAS 14 EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Ultra XC2 256gb Samsung 869 Pro (Boot Drive) 1TB - Samsung 970 EVO Plus Seasoninc 1000w Titanium Ultra PSU 34" ASUS PG348
diveplane Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 Getting back tot he original topic, I'm pretty sure the official word would go something like: Lock On code will not be released or leaked. Ever. Period, full stop. agree .... https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
JG27_Arklight Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 Which he has done until he was attacked. If someone disagrees with someone else's opinion, then they should of course feel free to disagree. The problem comes in when someone decides that it is their place to tell someone else they shouldn't even have an opinion in the first place. Its very simple really. If anyone thinks the premise of a thread is "stupid" or "pointless"...DON'T COMMENT ON IT! If you think someone's comment in a thread is "stupid" or "pointless"...DON'T COMMENT ON IT! Its always quite entertaining to see people rant at someone else who dares to post something they don't think is relevant, for page after page because they think the thread is a waste of forum space and bandwidth. It kind of defeats their whole argument, doesn't it? Let the mods decide what is and isn't relevant material. Aside from that (and this is not directed at you Arklight), if someone's posts get your panties in that much of a wad that you have to attack them for even posting in the first place, then try using the "Ignore" feature on this forum. Just my 2 cents. :music_whistling: Back on topic, as has already been said, the code won't be released. I agree with those who don't want to see it released. If ED was going out of business, that would be one thing, but they aren't, and I'd like to see them stay in business. No sim is ever going to be all things to all people, so, short of coding your own sim from the ground up, just keep some variety in your sim experience. :D I was commenting with regards to what can and can't be done. Despite popular belief, "Community" forum does not translate to "free speech area". hehe :) Ark ------------------ Windows 10 Pro x64 9900K @ 5ghz Gigabyte Aorus Master Z390 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB CAS 14 EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Ultra XC2 256gb Samsung 869 Pro (Boot Drive) 1TB - Samsung 970 EVO Plus Seasoninc 1000w Titanium Ultra PSU 34" ASUS PG348
JG27_Arklight Posted June 15, 2007 Posted June 15, 2007 Roger that. Its not what Rogue was talking about though. ;) NP, Rogue buddy. :D I'm a guy, so I don't really pay that much attention. Next thing you're going to want me to do is read instruction manuals and ask for directions. PFFT! :D Ark ------------------ Windows 10 Pro x64 9900K @ 5ghz Gigabyte Aorus Master Z390 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB CAS 14 EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Ultra XC2 256gb Samsung 869 Pro (Boot Drive) 1TB - Samsung 970 EVO Plus Seasoninc 1000w Titanium Ultra PSU 34" ASUS PG348
JG27_Arklight Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 Hehe...yeah...there's been a bit of drama here in the last few days. Hell no we can't start reading instruction manuals and asking for directions! That'd upset the natural order! Heh...since I'm an avionics guy, I tend to shy away from reading instruction manuals. Those troubleshooting flowcharts they have in them have little basis in reality. :D :D Ark ------------------ Windows 10 Pro x64 9900K @ 5ghz Gigabyte Aorus Master Z390 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB CAS 14 EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Ultra XC2 256gb Samsung 869 Pro (Boot Drive) 1TB - Samsung 970 EVO Plus Seasoninc 1000w Titanium Ultra PSU 34" ASUS PG348
upyr1 Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 Ah fair enough, they like to recycle I notice :P I hope they recyle enough that we could to an intergrated install and keep imporving the flight modle and graphics.
RvETito Posted June 16, 2007 Posted June 16, 2007 Since a ton of other companies already do that, perhaps the answer is "the way that those companies do it". Tons of other companies developing flight simulators only? Where are they? Perhaps you have a diferent understanding what a fligth simulator is. For me it means years of research and tons of engineering knowledge involved. So you were saying... how many companies actualy do that? Do you think it is that easy to steal source code , develop a new game and actually get away with it. I really don't care about this. But I care about the years of hard work that are spent to create it and I can't imagine someone after busting his a*s for years to give it to the public just like that. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
EscCtrl Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 I'm sure ED understand what you're saying FeedFish and have thought about it, but as has been said they've chosen not to do so. Nothing we can do but enjoy the game as is.
hitman Posted July 4, 2007 Posted July 4, 2007 Tons of gaming companies already do that. You say 'I really don't care about this' is nothing more than a cop out, plain and simple. And we are not talking about giving it to the public, we are talking about releasing it to allow people to develop content for your game which will increase sales. Do you think Microsoft FS series would be anywhere near as big without the 3rd party addon, not freaking likely. Do you think the the Strike fighters series would be as successfull as it is if it was a completely closed system, again, not very likely. When the market is smaller, a company should be doing thing to increase that market, not closing everything off so as to shrink it. Please list the names of Flight Simulators that have the source code available. No one that has modded Strike Fighters or MSFS have the source code. The code, however, allows addons through the community to build their own a/c without messing with the pre-existing code. Keep in mind that modding the game itself, such as new a/c created by the community, could cause instability in public servers. This was (and still is) a big issue for online flying with thirdwire series sumulators and MSFS.
Alfa Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 What Hitman said. The sim developers you are refering to did not "release the source code" - they designed their software to make certain aspects of the code open to modification by the end-user. JJ
Troffmeister Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 what is needed is for more community members to learn the arts of skinning and animation , and Lo game engine argument tweaking - then models might actually get released for people to play with and enjoy imo ! the community needs to learn the tools that are out there now , and contribute , and help out people like myself - that have made and are prepared to donate the odd 3d model or two - this would be alot more constructive , than all the leak the source code pontifications ! Roger
EscCtrl Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 what is needed is for more community members to learn the arts of skinning and animation , and Lo game engine argument tweaking - then models might actually get released for people to play with and enjoy imo ! the community needs to learn the tools that are out there now , and contribute , and help out people like myself - that have made and are prepared to donate the odd 3d model or two - this would be alot more constructive , than all the leak the source code pontifications ! Roger Could you link to some tutorials that you used to help you get started assuming you used a guide? I know there are plenty out there and yes I have looked through them but not all of them are well written or that informative so it's difficult to start. Thank you.
Troffmeister Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 certainly ) this thred - a sticky at the top of the 3d forum is full of videos / lessons etc etc here http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=23968 ================================ these videos are excellent and worth getting / watching-here http://www.gulfknight.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2198 ==================================== this is how to , and what skinning involves uvw etc a low poly vehicle skinning / uvw tutorial - spaceship object ! tutorial made by a janes usaf pc game - former employee http://www.bobsyouruncle.net/Low_poly_texturing.htm Roger
Troffmeister Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 p.s you don't need the very latest version of 3dmax to do this either , older versions can handle animation / skinning etc , and they are out there on the web to find ! i started to model on 3dmax r3 years ago - which is old now but still more than capable of doing the required processes ! i forgot to add GMAX - is the free version of 3dmax you can download - if you want to learn to skin / animate and generally mess around with 3d objects if i can help further , you can all mail me at troffmeister@hotmail.com no problemos :-) Roger
EscCtrl Posted July 5, 2007 Posted July 5, 2007 p.s you don't need the very latest version of 3dmax to do this either , older versions can handle animation / skinning etc , and they are out there on the web to find ! i started to model on 3dmax r3 years ago - which is old now but still more than capable of doing the required processes ! i forgot to add GMAX - is the free version of 3dmax you can download - if you want to learn to skin / animate and generally mess around with 3d objects if i can help further , you can all mail me at troffmeister@hotmail.com no problemos :-) Roger Yeah I've had a few of those free ones in the past, each time I've tried to get into a modelling mood :P I remember I almost made something that vaguely looked like a 'shape' of some kind on zModeller (I think that was the one). That was the highlight of my modelling :D Thanks I'll look through these then find Gmax or another free tool.
EvilBivol-1 Posted July 6, 2007 Posted July 6, 2007 Quoting myself from page 2: ED will not release their source code. However, they will continue to move in a direction which provides more game access to the community.Meaning that ED does believe in the power of moddability and has begun the process granting greater user access with the introduction of LUA scripts in what, 1.02? This is a gradual process however, as the game was not originally designed for this. Generally, greater and greater access is made available as time and game versions progress. - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
Kuky Posted July 6, 2007 Posted July 6, 2007 It's not the stability issue only, it's also a problem where some people have some mods and others don't. It's fine if they are only 3D models of existing aircraft/vehicles/etc but once you add new stuff others don't... I don't know how that would work. How can you fly online, say in MiG-29 and then someone has MiG-21 added in game (whole aircraft) and goes online on same server... what would happen? How could my machine see the MiG-21 if I don't have it? And what about weapons? Leaking the code is absurd... leaving some part of game for end user modification and addition is fine... but it shouldn't mess with stuff that would affect people who are not using the mod. PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
rogue_blade Posted July 7, 2007 Author Posted July 7, 2007 well if we want to play online we would make sure to have an install of an unmodified version....but falcon somehow does it with OF.. not that ive tried it [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Troffmeister Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 We don't all do multiplayer , so in relation to 3d modding etc , its not an issue i feel - as one has the option to install or not install addons - for yourself and your multi player buddies as you see fit - the mp argument is not in itself a valid reason to cease or desist any modding effort imo . i really think tho this thred should be closed now - as we / you are all pontificating about leaking / releasing a source code of the LO - which has not / and will never happen - and this thred is just going around and around in pointless circles ! we may as well be discussing the merits of 2 tramps / vagrants urinating up a wall , its about as valid and pointless as that !
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