DmitriKozlowsky Posted October 29, 2018 Posted October 29, 2018 Center tank precludes speed brake operation. I read that in A center tank also precludes gun operation. But in DCS -29S center tank inhibits speed brake. Odd thing is that watching -29S wingmen land with center tank, and with speed brake. But Player ship no go on brake with center tank.
Lixma 06 Posted October 29, 2018 Posted October 29, 2018 Our version can't deploy the brake while the center tank is on or while the gear is down. I read somewhere in here that modern variants can use the brake but only the 'top half'.
Askerov24 Posted October 29, 2018 Posted October 29, 2018 Our version can't deploy the brake while the center tank is on or while the gear is down. I read somewhere in here that modern variants can use the brake but only the 'top half'. Because it is only on top :) Acer Aspire E5-571G-713W/Intel® Core™ i7-4510U 2.0-3.1GHz/12 GB DDR3 L Memo/NVIDIA® GeForce® 820M 2 GB/1000 GB HDD
Alfa Posted October 29, 2018 Posted October 29, 2018 Our version can't deploy the brake while the center tank is on or while the gear is down. I read somewhere in here that modern variants can use the brake but only the 'top half'. Modern variants have an airbrake like on the Su-27 - i.e. a panel located on the spine, so no problem using it during landing :) Attached example is MiG-29K(9.31). JJ
Lixma 06 Posted October 29, 2018 Posted October 29, 2018 Ah, so they redesigned it....I was thinking they just welded the bottom half shut :)
Alfa Posted October 29, 2018 Posted October 29, 2018 Ah, so they redesigned it....I was thinking they just welded the bottom half shut :) Heh yeah - well they redesigned the whole aircraft :) . The airbrake is also much larger(with an area of 1 m²), so also has greater effect. You can see it better on this image: JJ
itstheLIKWID Posted October 29, 2018 Posted October 29, 2018 This problem was driving me crazy, I had no idea why all of a sudden I couldn't deploy the speed brake to slow down in preperation for landings. Wasn't until someone on a discord server asked if I had the centre tank on, got rid of it and hey presto air brake works once again. Really frustrating issue to have but good to know now.
Mumby Posted October 29, 2018 Posted October 29, 2018 Heh yeah - well they redesigned the whole aircraft :) . The airbrake is also much larger(with an area of 1 m²), so also has greater effect. You can see it better on this image: Crikey, that’s the biggest airbrake I’ve ever seen! Reminds me of the F35B lift fan hatch, but the other way round.
draconus Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Funny thing how many people tried to land it with CL tank in the first place desperately fighting to reduce the damn speed :) Me included. Now, when PFM first days are gone, I don't feel the need for braking during landing at all and the fact that I don't make straight in approaches any more probably have something to do with it ;) Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Ironhand Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Funny thing how many people tried to land it with CL tank in the first place desperately fighting to reduce the damn speed :) Me included. Now, when PFM first days are gone, I don't feel the need for braking during landing at all and the fact that I don't make straight in approaches any more probably have something to do with it ;) :) I still like straight in approaches. My habit is to simply throttle back well before I pick up the glide slope. Done correctly, you never touch the airbrake, your flaps and gear are down and you leave the IAP at around 390k/h. Then gradually reduce speed down the slope to arrive at the proper landing speed as you cross the threshold. YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
Alfa Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) Crikey, that’s the biggest airbrake I’ve ever seen! Reminds me of the F35B lift fan hatch, but the other way round. Ah its not that big Mumby :) - I would say that it resembles that of the Hornet both in position and size(well maybe a little bigger). The airbrakes of the Su-27 and F-15 seem larger(I don't know the area of those though). I think the images I posted are distorting relative size somewhat - in the first it looks smaller than it actually is, while in the latter it does look huge. Here is a third one from the side, which gives a better impression: Edited October 30, 2018 by Alfa JJ
draconus Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 The airbrakes of the Su-27 and F-15 seem larger(I don't know the area of those though). From my calculations these are close to 3 sq.m. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Alfa Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 From my calculations these are close to 3 sq.m. Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they are in that "ballpark". JJ
Alfa Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Looked around a bit and it seems that, at least in regards to the F-15, you were bang on the money :) According to the info I found, the airbrake area of the F-15 is: 31.5 ft² ~ 2.93 m². JJ
draconus Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Looked around a bit and it seems that, at least in regards to the F-15, you were bang on the money :) According to the info I found, the airbrake area of the F-15 is: 31.5 ft² ~ 2.93 m². Well I tried to find exact data for 10 mins and then decided to do the math instead, so no surprise here :) Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
draconus Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) Odd thing is that watching -29S wingmen land with center tank, and with speed brake. But Player ship no go on brake with center tank. Indeed, you were right. AI is cheating! Edited November 3, 2018 by draconus Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
DmitriKozlowsky Posted November 1, 2018 Author Posted November 1, 2018 Mig-29K, the variant that is serving RuNNA today is a very advanced variant of Mig-29. Full FBW, and ability to carry AA, AG, and Anti-Surface/Ship. It can't really be compared to Mig-29A and S, which is analog flight control augmentation and stability systems. Ironic that RuN Naval Aviation Mig-29K have no carrier to fly off, or crash next to, for next three, possibly more years. They will have to train with Indian Navy's Mig-29IK on their carrier. Former Kiev class VSTOL carrier, modified to carry fixed wing.
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