MiG-29S RADAR RANGE Bug Report

[Satarosa]

Please ED can you change the radar values of the MiG-29S, to match the reality compliant for a simulation game?

 

MiG-29A

MiG-29G

 

N019E "Rubin"

Range*: ~ 70km

Azimuth angle scan: -60°/+60° <120°

Elevation angle scan: +56°/-36° <92°

 

 

 

MiG-29S

 

N019M "Topaz"

Range*: ~ 90km

Azimuth angle scan: -65°/+65° <130°

Elevation angle scan: +60°/-38° <98°

 

 

 

 

 

* Effective detection range in the best conditions on a fighter "HOT":

[Satarosa]

:-/

 

C'est quand tu veux boby pour corriger celà..

[Svend_Dellepude]

Pardon me for saying this. But I don't think posts like these is going to get you the result you are looking for.

If you know something is not right, provide documentation for how it should be IRL, and the devs will then have a look, to decide if they are able to change it. Sometimes it's not possible to model something completely like it is IRL, because of sensitive or classified information.

[Pasquale1986]

Sometimes it's not possible to model something completely like it is IRL, because of sensitive or classified information.

 

Exactly, IIRC Wags more or less said in some of the recent streams that they will miss RL performance on porpuse - something like we model as close as we are comfortable - due to legal restriction

[rrohde]

Since this info seems to be readily available (else how would Satarosa know), it would be nice if this could be implemented as such.

 

So +1 from me.

 

I don't see how a few changed parameters as shown in OP's post would fall into the classified/sensitive realm all of a sudden.

[Satarosa]

I am military and I can tell you that it is classified or not, there are dozens of websites, US, Russian and many other countries they will give you the values of its old radar!

 

I think that with a little research anyone can find the same informations, I do not see why I should also copy all the existing sources dealing with this subject, and all PDF manuals of this radar..

 

but good for your information also some sources:

 

https://forum.keypublishing.com/forum/modern-military-aviation/2871-important-russian-sam-news-russian-radars-1960s-present

 

https://gdziewojsko.wordpress.com/lotnictwo/mikojan-gurewicz-mig-29/

 

https://ruslet.webnode.cz/technika/ruska-technika/letecka-technika/a-i-mikojan-a-m-i-gurjevic/mig-29s-fulcrum-c-/

 

https://www.ciudadfutura.com/mig-29-terror-la-otan/

 

https://51escadrongriffon.com/index.php/fr/librarium/comparatif-des-radars-des-avions-jouable

 

http://toad-design.com/migalley/index.php/jet-aircraft/mig29/mig29-n019-radar/

 

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[Svend_Dellepude]

I'm not the one who wants evidence, I'm just telling you how things usually works on these forums.

[Satarosa]

Ok thank you so much.

 

Hope DEV Will inprove the radar of MiG-29S. And not juste copy past the radar value from MiG-29 À..

[stuart666]

I got to say, im having a tough time getting any range out of it. I can understand the A model being fairly poor, but even the S model with an upgraded radar its tough to find anything in BVR mode much beyond 15 klicks. I know about the range gate and the different radar modes, but it still feels difficult to get any decent range or BVR capability out of it.

 

 

Maybe this is perhaps a case for less including a modification to the radar, than perhaps a dedicated training mission for the Mig29? Id happily pay for a good training campaign for it if ED produced one.

[Schmidtfire]

My suggestion is to keep it simple.

 

Use the BVR radar mode (2) and don't touch anything, unless you are looking for a target that is very high or very low compared to your position. Listen to the GCI or AWACS to narrow down the target area. MiG29 has not a big search radar like the F-15C or F/A-18C Hornet.

 

If you know what you are doing, and the enemy is closing head-on, you can set the radar-scan to High Prf to pick up targets att a longer range.

 

Reversed from IRL, the EOS system on the MiG29 is actually really good in DCS. I usually alternate between radar and EOS. No luck with the radar? Switch to the EOS for a minute.

Once locked up in EOS you can tap the radar on button quickly to make an IFF of the locked contact.

 

If all else fails, despite your close to enemies. Go vertical scan (3) and keep pressing that lock button like a madman while turning in an 360 arc (if you don't now where the threat is).

Also keep a good eye on your RWR. It looks a bit oldschool tech but can really help you get pointed in the right direction.

 

If you are going against Amraam opponents such like the F-15C, get low and behind cover (if possible) You want to close the distance as much as possible.

 

Another tactic is by running low and sneaky, only using your EOS and the R27ET IR missile to sneak up on unassuming bandits. You should obviusly keep your jammer off to keep a stealthy appearance.

 

But on the whole, think about the MiG29 as a good dogfighter or a point interceptor, you mostly need to get close to the targets to have the advantage, hopefully with some guidance of AWACS or GCI.

Edited November 9, 2018 by Schmidtfire

[Ironhand]

stuart666 said:

I got to say, im having a tough time getting any range out of it. I can understand the A model being fairly poor, but even the S model with an upgraded radar its tough to find anything in BVR mode much beyond 15 klicks...

Ummm...15 klicks? In this case, fighter sized target, 80 km... This happened to be the "S" model but it's the same for the "A". So something's not right somewhere.

 

 

 

EDIT: Ahh...while I was waiting for the video to upload before posting this, Schmidtfire posted some good advice. In the video, notice that I am using the Front Hemisphere (HPRF) setting because the bogie is approaching. This gives you the greatest search range in that situation.

Edited December 4, 2020 by Ironhand

[stuart666]

I just tried it again on multiplayer, and it seemed to do a bit better. But im not sure if that was because the target was flying higher than me and was easier to pick up. He was also advertising his presence by having his ecm on.

 

 

Im not sure if its me and still grappling to get to grips with this radar, or there is a real issue here. But it didnt seem to be this difficult to adquire targets flying the Su27, even allowing for its greater detection range.

[pawea]

Something not quite right with the radar i can't pick up shit BVR and its nothing to do with jamming,the SU-27/33 radar was a challenge bit this is insane....you have to wait until visual to engage and lock any target,even at 7km its difficult to get a lock........

[Ironhand]

I think you're finding that the MiG's radar has less processing power than, say, the Flanker's and, so, it's much more susceptible to ground clutter, etc. Against a target that I was able to pick up at 60+ km in a look down situation with the Flanker's radar, I had to wait until I was within 40 km with the MiG-29's radar in the correct PRF (HPRF) for the situation and 25-30 km with MPRF.

[pawea]

I think you're finding that the MiG's radar has less processing power than, say, the Flanker's and, so, it's much more susceptible to ground clutter, etc. Against a target that I was able to pick up at 60+ km in a look down situation with the Flanker's radar, I had to wait until I was within 40 km with the MiG-29's radar in the correct PRF (HPRF) for the situation and 25-30 km with MPRF.

 

Hmmm so it looks like you gotta actively work it to get the best results gonna try that later thx.....

[Ironhand]

Hmmm so it looks like you gotta actively work it to get the best results gonna try that later thx.....

 

:) While it’s never a good idea to be lazy in any cockpit, it’s an especially bad idea in the -29’s.

[Satarosa]

https://51escadrongriffon.com/index.php/fr/librarium/comparatif-des-radars-des-avions-jouable

[Alfa]

I think you're finding that the MiG's radar has less processing power than, say, the Flanker's and, so, it's much more susceptible to ground clutter, etc. Against a target that I was able to pick up at 60+ km in a look down situation with the Flanker's radar, I had to wait until I was within 40 km with the MiG-29's radar in the correct PRF (HPRF) for the situation and 25-30 km with MPRF.

 

Hmm why do you think the N019 has less processing power? :) . Both radars use a combination of an analogue signal processor and a digital data processor and at least the latter is the same(Ts100) on both. The range differences you mention seem rather consistent with the difference in overall radar "power" - i.e. same output power, but with ~ 50% larger antenna area on the N001.

[Ironhand]

Hmm why do you think the N019 has less processing power? :) . Both radars use a combination of an analogue signal processor and a digital data processor and at least the latter is the same(Ts100) on both. The range differences you mention seem rather consistent with the difference in overall radar "power" - i.e. same output power, but with ~ 50% larger antenna area on the N001.

I read it on the internet.

 

It probably was signal power, though, rather than processing power. My memory isn't what it used to be. :)

[AeriaGloria]

I do love the difference in ground clutter handling between the flankers and the fulcrum. Sometimes in the MiG going low is the only way to get max detection range

[Frostie]

I do love the difference in ground clutter handling between the flankers and the fulcrum. Sometimes in the MiG going low is the only way to get max detection range

 

You'll find range reduced in both Flanker and Fulcrum when flying at 10,000m and scanning down low. You don't need to get real low to get better range just lower than 10km, 4-8km should be just fine.

[AeriaGloria]

Yeah, I should’ve phrased that better

[Satarosa]

Just want they put the real values of the MiG-29S radar..

[Ironhand]

Just want they put the real values of the MiG-29S radar..

Ummm...which real values? The sources you listed can't even agree on the range. Three claim 80 km (which we have in the sim), two claim 90, and one claims 100.

[AeriaGloria]

I would accept a 10% range increase to at least simulate the difference, doesn’t have to be exact just a little better than the 9-12