No afterburners on takeoff for the B/D

[turkeydriver]

Just to be clear, it was forbidden to use afterburner on takeoff- either at the boat or a land airbase. Once you lifted off with 2 good motors, light em up. Will Heatblur's F-14B leave the carrier at full Mil as they did IRL?

[Nealius]

We can do it with the Hornet so I don't see why it won't be possible with the Tomcat.

[GrizzlyBear83]

The trailers have the Tomcats launch in full burner, so I guess it's doable without any problems. Time will tell ;)

[Flamin_Squirrel]

We can do it with the Hornet so I don't see why it won't be possible with the Tomcat.

 

Probably because it's a different aircraft?!

 

I'm guessing it's not that it couldn't, it's that you shouldn't.

[Skwinty]

Following the loss of three aircraft over a four week period in 1996, the CNO ordered a safety stand down to review what was known in order to find out if there were any operational restrictions that needed to be placed on the aircraft. The Navy placed interim restrictions on the F-14 in the low altitude, high speed environment. Afterburner use was prohibited for F-14Bs and F-14Ds at all altitudes except for operational emergencies.

 

https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-14.htm

[ChuckJäger]

I personally saw F-14's go full burner on takeoff on my 2004 cruise with VF-211... it was always awesome - the burner would hit the JBD and then go straight up.

 

They MAY have been A models though.

[BlackLion213]

Just to be clear, it was forbidden to use afterburner on takeoff- either at the boat or a land airbase. Once you lifted off with 2 good motors, light em up. Will Heatblur's F-14B leave the carrier at full Mil as they did IRL?

 

Yes, you can launch off the boat in mil-power.

 

The HB F-14 has a different process in-sim for launching than the F/A-18. Instead of hooking into the cat and selecting burner like the Hornet (iirc - been a while), you connect to the cat and use a "salute" key function (my idea actually :)).

 

So you go to mil-power and press shift-U. This causes the pilot figure in the F-14 to salute and the cat fires 2-2.5 seconds later.

 

-Nick

[Raisuli]

Yes, you can launch off the boat in mil-power.

 

The HB F-14 has a different process in-sim for launching than the F/A-18. Instead of hooking into the cat and selecting burner like the Hornet (iirc - been a while), you connect to the cat and use a "salute" key function (my idea actually :)).

 

So you go to mil-power and press shift-U. This causes the pilot figure in the F-14 to salute and the cat fires 2-2.5 seconds later.

 

-Nick

 

That's great! Now talk them into the rest of the hand signals rather than that awful ground crew menu...

 

...I know, nobody is ever satisfied. There are people who would complain if you hung them with a new rope.

[Pasquale1986]

Yes, you can launch off the boat in mil-power.

 

The HB F-14 has a different process in-sim for launching than the F/A-18. Instead of hooking into the cat and selecting burner like the Hornet (iirc - been a while), you connect to the cat and use a "salute" key function (my idea actually :)).

 

So you go to mil-power and press shift-U. This causes the pilot figure in the F-14 to salute and the cat fires 2-2.5 seconds later.

 

-Nick

 

That's awesome :thumbup: It will imho absolutely add to the immersion!!

[OnlyforDCS]

Yes, you can launch off the boat in mil-power.

 

The HB F-14 has a different process in-sim for launching than the F/A-18. Instead of hooking into the cat and selecting burner like the Hornet (iirc - been a while), you connect to the cat and use a "salute" key function (my idea actually :)).

 

So you go to mil-power and press shift-U. This causes the pilot figure in the F-14 to salute and the cat fires 2-2.5 seconds later.

 

-Nick

 

Ok this is like the best thing in DCS ever. Nice suggestion.

[MurderOne]

VF-31 used to go full burner all the time out of Oceana in the late 1990s in their -Ds. VF-101 also went full burn routinely in the same time period, they flew A+ and B birds. I can't think of many that didn't really. Safety standowns occur, but once they clear issues, they go back to routine ops.

Edited November 21, 2018 by MurderOne
VF-31 flew D cats

[DmanGIV]

I’m pretty sure they were restricted off the cat to mil power because the GE engines (B&D) had too much thrust for the hold back system. I asked the same question to a friend of mine that flew all models.. for some reason I remember this as being the answer.. might have to confirm this again.

Pretty sure off a runway they were fine in burner.

Now there was a order to keep the tomcats out of burner when they had a rash of accidents involving the burner can blowing out.. which would equal an aircraft loss.. but eventually that was resolved.

[VampireNZ]

F-14B Launch Procedure and Takeoff Config from NAVAIR 01-F14AAP-1. Afterburner takeoffs from the carrier prohibited in the F-14B.

[turkeydriver]

Yes, you can launch off the boat in mil-power.

 

The HB F-14 has a different process in-sim for launching than the F/A-18. Instead of hooking into the cat and selecting burner like the Hornet (iirc - been a while), you connect to the cat and use a "salute" key function (my idea actually :)).

 

So you go to mil-power and press shift-U. This causes the pilot figure in the F-14 to salute and the cat fires 2-2.5 seconds later.

 

-Nick

 

beautiful. Thanks Nick!

[turkeydriver]

They were restricted because the rudders don't have the authority at low speeds to counter an engine failure with the other engine in full AB. Its for safety. If it cooked the JDBs, the Navy would have found a tougher material to make it work with AB if they needed it, ala the F-35B melting old style decks and now a tougher material n place on F-35B ships.

[turkeydriver]

VF-31 used to go full burner all the time out of Oceana in the late 1990s in their -Ds. VF-101 also went full burn routinely in the same time period, they flew A+ and B birds. I can't think of many that didn't really. Safety standowns occur, but once they clear issues, they go back to routine ops.

 

This isn't accurate. They did it once n the air but they did not on the ground.

[MurderOne]

This isn't accurate. They did it once n the air but they did not on the ground.

 

This is accurate. I observed it routinely from the flight line, fuel pits and hot pad.

[VampireNZ]

Forget it...do w/e you like :thumbup:

Edited November 21, 2018 by VampireNZ

[lucky-hendrix]

Omg, don't be so pedantic.

 

What is the date of your manual ? As other said it might be that AB take off was prohibited at a later date ...

 

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[turkeydriver]

Omg, don't be so pedantic.

 

What is the date of your manual ? As other said it might be that AB take off was prohibited at a later date ...

 

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yep you're rght- pedantic rant deleted. Sorry about that.

[turkeydriver]

This is accurate. I observed it routinely from the flight line, fuel pits and hot pad.

 

I'll take your eye witness. Just haven't seen anything allowing it. If you were there and saw it on the deck I can't argue against, despite NATOPS.

[VampireNZ]

yep you're rght- pedantic rant deleted. Sorry about that.

 

I think he was talking to me lol :music_whistling:

 

Post edited anyway - unfortunately I am ex-aircrew so am conditioned to do what the -1 says .. period.

But hey it's just a sim right so do whatever you want, Max AB 1 engine cat launch for all I care lol.

[jcdata]

Yaw authority low for GE engines.. no ab on TO

 

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[Nealius]

Probably because it's a different aircraft?!

 

I'm guessing it's not that it couldn't, it's that you shouldn't.

 

You totally missed my point, and obviously don't understand how the cat launch logic works in DCS. The cat launch logic currently implemented in DCS allows for launch at MIL power. This means you can launch without AB. This means that if you can launch at MIL in the Hornet, you should be able to launch at MIL in the Tomcat on ED's carrier.

 

So the answer to OP's question: "Will Heatblur's F-14B leave the carrier at full Mil as they did IRL?" is YES.

[Robert31178]

I read somewhere that in the A's you did leave the deck in burner, but with the updated engines you could not because the thrust was so much that if you lost an engine as you were leaving the deck you would never recover the asymmetrical thrust at such low speeds.