F-35 Lightning II cockit and HUD system

[TorwaK]

Just now I was looking to JSF F-35 Lightning II specifications and I realized that there is no HUD screen anymore at cockpit. :joystick: New technology provides to pilot to see enemy activities at his helmet screen as like at the pictures. From 2011 some of countries are going to use F-35 plane and probable they'll replace with their F-16's. F-35 continues to testing until 2011.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TucksonSonny]

They're gonna find out they'll need a HUD and rudimentary analog gauges. Kinda like how in the 60's they figured they didn't need a gun on the plane.

 

 

If there is a problem on MFD 1 then you can have all the function via MFD 2.

This was already done for ages with the viper.

But indeed what do you have to do if you would have serious electricity problems? :D

[TorwaK]

In my opinion just I don't like when plane control by computer system more than %60 percent.

[Geier]

 

But indeed what do you have to do if you would have serious electricity problems? :D

 

You should carry the pocket electric power station ;)

[Kusch]

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2006/articles/apr_06/front-office/index.html

 

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7259/newhelmetqa6.jpg

 

 

[Geier]

 

 

looks like a kind of nightmare:D:D:D

[tflash]

By now computers are mere commodity, these systems are as reliable as older mechanical stuff.

 

But I find the display somewhat dull, I prefer those of Battlestar Galactica!

[GGTharos]

In my opinion just I don't like when plane control by computer system more than %60 percent.

 

Without the computer you'd be less than 10% in control of the plane :D

[dodger42]

Without the computer you'd be less than 10% in control of the plane :D

 

Nice! :) So from that I take it the F35 is very unstable, thus the computer controls?

[diveplane]

crazy not to add a hud in that,also some steam gauges for back up,

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[Mugatu]

Why bother with the HUD, it's limits your field of view and would have a MTBF close to the helmet.

[Skopro_PL]

Call me old fashioned,but i would prefer to have a HUD in that thing.That brings me to another personal opinion.The new jets are so clean now(external stores) that IMHO start to look kinda dull,we wont see stores on future jets anymore it seems,i like seeing all the hardware that they can carry,like the Hog,Mudhen,and now especially the block 50-52+,i like the way the 52+ D model looks with the dorsal spine and CFT's, add the weapons stores to that thing ,and the enm runs away screaming in terror of the fact that the military has an excess of bombs that they're trying to get rid off before the expiration date.Thats what i like about fighters these days,of course times do change and we will see the " clean is deadly" look,and more efficient i suppose.But i just start to loose interest in them.

[rogue_blade]

Call me old fashioned,but i would prefer to have a HUD in that thing.That brings me to another personal opinion.The new jets are so clean now(external stores) that IMHO start to look kinda dull,we wont see stores on future jets anymore it seems,i like seeing all the hardware that they can carry,like the Hog,Mudhen,and now especially the block 50-52+,i like the way the 52+ D model looks with the dorsal spine and CFT's, add the weapons stores to that thing ,and the enm runs away screaming in terror of the fact that the military has an excess of bombs that they're trying to get rid off before the expiration date.Thats what i like about fighters these days,of course times do change and we will see the " clean is deadly" look,and more efficient i suppose.But i just start to loose interest in them.

 

kudos and i agree.

 

but to GGTharos im pretty sure that without the computer controls the plane would still be 'flyable' and not 'less than 10% controllable lol its just probably really advanced flyby wire

[phlerp]

Removing the HUD and replace it with a HMD is an interesting concept. But I'm questioning if the benefits make up for the drawbacks. I know they tested different concepts of HMDs for the SAAB Gripen, but the problem was that the added weight and shift in center of gravity for the helmet was worse than the benefits from the system. Remember that every added ounce should be multiplied by 9 at maximum G-loads.

 

Perhaps the helmet for the F-35 is really lightweight, but it doesn't look like it.

 

Steam gauges isn't really necessary for this kind of aircrafts anymore. Therse systems have backups and backups for the backups. An if you have a power failure the aircraft won't be very airworthy anyway. The A and B versions of SAAB Gripen had analogue backup gauges, but these were removed in the C and D version in favour of larger MFDs. However the analogue way of presenting information with needles are far from dead. It's very easy to read quickly, and it's still used on many MFDs. We just have to accept that this is the future way of doing stuff no matter if we find it estethically pleasing or not. However, without really knowing anything about the real functionallity, I find those MFDs for the F-35 a bit overcrowded and not at all user friendly.

[thesystem]

that helmet looks like it is made totaly from CFK (Carbon Fiber Komposite)

So it will be light weight but will it also be strong.

 

What I think that is the most shitty on HMD's without a hud is to find the center of your panel when you are turning and so on. I have flow VFR yesterday and i hated it. I was always searching on the windshield for some kind of reference point. And with a hud you will have that

[Pilotasso]

I wouldnt like to have the F-35 pit either. I would miss the HUD terribly and that single TFT panel in my view seems to make things more confuse and overwhelming to the pilot than helpfull. They might be forced to come back to more discriminating 3 large MFD's and a large wide angle HUD.

[VMFA117_Poko]

Without the computer you'd be less than 10% in control of the plane :D

 

:megalol: I really like this sentence. It's true - F117 i.e. is like a flying brick.

[Prophet]

As long as they have enough redundant systems, I would think it should be OK. That HMD is just sweet IMO. I am sure no HUD cuts down on a lot of stuff.

 

I wonder how it would take a lightning strike though.

 

Only time will tell.

[VMFA117_Poko]

As long as they have enough redundant systems, I would think it should be OK. That HMD is just sweet IMO. I am sure no HUD cuts down on a lot of stuff.

 

I wonder how it would take a lightning strike though.

 

Only time will tell.

I think the same. You will always get wider, more accurate informations, better visibility to the front, compatibility with AIM-9X but pilot probably must get used to it. HUD to this compare like view from a top of the mountain related to view through a key hole.

[AlexHunter]

Interestingly how many such helmet weighs and how in it of sensation on high overloads, and at what maximal speeds it is possible to leave in it the plane, or it is not planned :)?

[Cosmonaut]

The F35 is ok but it's really the same idea as the F16; how cheap can you build a strike fighter to use the current and future weapons systems. IMO after the F18 becomes redundant then why not just make UAV Strike Fighters that will be much more capable than the F22 and F35 put together. Maybe if they slung another engine on the F35 I'd be more enthusiastic but I just cant see the F35 having the same CAS capabilities that the current fighters have today.

 

Awesome pics though and I actually think this cockpit looks a lot better than the boxy appearance it use to have although the Bug Eyed helmet just looks awkward and cumbersome but I'm sure it's neither so it'll be interesting to see how things develop from here.

[AlexHunter]

Awesome pics though and I actually think this cockpit looks a lot better than the boxy appearance it use to have although the Bug Eyed helmet just looks awkward and cumbersome but I'm sure it's neither so it'll be interesting to see how things develop from here.

 

That it progressively I do not argue, only here they should finish it, for example I doubt that it will sustain an air stream at ejection on supersonic speeds. And weight of a helmet what in comparison with standard, excess weight of a helmet it is not so pleasant for the pilot during intensive evolutions of the plane (at an overload).

[VMFA117_Poko]

We know weight of it?

[TorwaK]

Without the computer you'd be less than 10% in control of the plane :D

 

Actually they're going to decrease control level of human hand on plane until %0 percent. Anyway I'll not see days already :smartass:

[Geier]

That it progressively I do not argue, only here they should finish it, for example I doubt that it will sustain an air stream at ejection on supersonic speeds. And weight of a helmet what in comparison with standard, excess weight of a helmet it is not so pleasant for the pilot during intensive evolutions of the plane (at an overload).

 

Heh, do you really think so? I suppose the flight in ths helmet doesn't differ so much as it seems, because it *should* be made of a light material... otherwise it makes no sense