Easy Refuel Option

[ST0RM]

Yup that's why I called it a division and yes, I knew it was a division of Lockheed but hey, I knew I'd get schooled on these details. Whatevs

 

 

 

Then you may want to convey your opinion to the "resources" dedicated to MAC since you feel you're so entitled. This is precisely what I'm talking about and all you've done is prove my points so thank you.

 

You read the manual front to back? You practiced till your eyes dried up from lack of blinking? Good for you, the cookies are in the kitchen. I sat through a lot of YouTube videos, made and tested my missions what seems like a thousand times over, not to mention the research through TWO manuals (The DCS release and Chuck's release). I did all of that to get the info I wanted from this game (lol I bet that will trigger you) and because members with your mindset either don't want to share their knowledge or probably dish it out with a little insult to the novice I decided to post some videos on YouTube to help others out... Other than polish your monocle, what have you done?

 

Ahh, the elitist moniker when you're out of options.

 

No, I have not read the manual front to back. Chuck's Guides are pretty awesome and provided me what I needed. I have viewed a few video tutorials to help out in areas I'm not understanding and wish to be better at. I don't expect the dev to cater to my inabilities. I spend what time I do have, practicing those tasks. Who wants to suck? Even in a game. And yes, I even help others in our group get better if they're not quite getting it. They put the time in to be better at something and want more than the basics. The flip side is that I can ask them for help as well.

 

So instead of slinging insults, you could have reached out via PM and asked for some help. Or join an organized group where things like this have their own internal knowledge base to help you along.

 

To answer you about my thoughts on MAC. It has it's place to fill the void for the basic players. Maybe it'll have that easy AR or trigger auto-refuel you're wanting.

[Cheb44]

Lol yeah I am not reading any manuals, I have enough -1's to keep up with without adding any from a game.

 

As Storm stated, I have used Chuck's for some things I didn't know and watched some youtube. MAC is going to be good for the in between I imagine and will be a good starter sim.

 

Maybe you are just looking at the so called Elitist wrong. More often than not games that have a high learning curve end up getting "dumbed down". I think most of the people coming across as elitist are just very defensive of our last bastion of true study combat sims.

 

I look at it like this, if there is something difficult (any where in life) I don't look for someone to make it easier for me, I look at as a personal challenge that needs conquering.

 

I am seeing a trend though, many of the guys saying "get better" are military. Maybe we are just assholes lol.

[Cheb44]

haa zaaa

 

https://i.gyazo.com/2bd338d56175a3c7539a428b97bb8d5d.png

 

Edited February 1, 2019 by Cheb44

[Akula]

Ahh, the elitist moniker when you're out of options.

 

No, I have not read the manual front to back. Chuck's Guides are pretty awesome and provided me what I needed. I have viewed a few video tutorials to help out in areas I'm not understanding and wish to be better at. I don't expect the dev to cater to my inabilities. I spend what time I do have, practicing those tasks. Who wants to suck? Even in a game. And yes, I even help others in our group get better if they're not quite getting it. They put the time in to be better at something and want more than the basics. The flip side is that I can ask them for help as well.

 

So instead of slinging insults, you could have reached out via PM and asked for some help. Or join an organized group where things like this have their own internal knowledge base to help you along.

 

To answer you about my thoughts on MAC. It has it's place to fill the void for the basic players. Maybe it'll have that easy AR or trigger auto-refuel you're wanting.

 

Again, elitist jargon that just proves my point even further. You insult newcomers and get offended when they fire back? Seems like you can't take what you dish out.

[Akula]

haa zaaa

 

https://i.gyazo.com/2bd338d56175a3c7539a428b97bb8d5d.png

 

 

Read about that earlier today.... Will certainly make things interesting when flying in formation.

[maxTRX]

haa zaaa

 

zaaa goot :D looking forward to it!

[Harlikwin]

You think the F18 is hard, try the harrier, you can't even see your probe!

 

I dunno, having an easy mode button to tick could be good for new guys and offline play. My flight time is limited and I do other stuff rather than practice tanking.

[Kev2go]

Let me help you a bit.

Skunk Works originated as a division of Lockheed. The A-10 was built by Fairchild. The F-16 by General Dynamics. The F-15, McDonnell-Douglas.

 

Who then aquired General dynamics?

 

 

Who then provide the support to the F16 as well as maintaining a production line of said Vipers open?

 

Oh thats right... Lockheed Martin.

 

 

Although Grumman ( later acquired by Northrop) bought the Rights to Fairchild when they went defunct they are partnered with Lockheed to maintain the A10.

 

 

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/f-16.html

 

 

 

https://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/A10ThunderboltII/Pages/default.aspx

 

 

In turn McDonnell Douglas is now owned by Boeing.

Edited February 1, 2019 by Kev2go

[Vampyre]

I am seeing a trend though, many of the guys saying "get better" are military. Maybe we are just assholes lol.

 

I wouldn't say we are assholes, we just have less tolerance for those who aren't willing to help themselves. Having been retired for three years now, I've found that most civilians don't have the mindset of a person in the military who has to routinely deal with life and death decisions and has seen the results of bad decisions. For the most part, they lack focus, discipline, and fortitude. This leads to them stating that it is too hard... mainly because they put little to no actual effort forth towards the successful achievement of a worthy goal. I would also venture to say that, in this case, they don't view aerial refueling as a worthy goal. It's all about mindset. You will be called elitist for having a positive attitude towards goal achievement. They will never be good enough simply because of their mindset.

 

If it helps draw in the revenue from the easy mode game players to help further the development of the simulation side for those who fly DCS for the simulation aspect, then it's OK in my view. I have no problem with the easy mode idea as long as it can be turned off in the mission editor/server side. It would be a win/win in that case.

[Akula]

I wouldn't say we are assholes, we just have less tolerance for those who aren't willing to help themselves. Having been retired for three years now, I've found that most civilians don't have the mindset of a person in the military who has to routinely deal with life and death decisions and has seen the results of bad decisions. For the most part, they lack focus, discipline, and fortitude. This leads to them stating that it is too hard... mainly because they put little to no actual effort forth towards the successful achievement of a worthy goal. I would also venture to say that, in this case, they don't view aerial refueling as a worthy goal. It's all about mindset. You will be called elitist for having a positive attitude towards goal achievement. They will never be good enough simply because of their mindset.

 

If it helps draw in the revenue from the easy mode game players to help further the development of the simulation side for those who fly DCS for the simulation aspect, then it's OK in my view. I have no problem with the easy mode idea as long as it can be turned off in the mission editor/server side. It would be a win/win in that case.

 

That’s a very fair compromise and one that will help newcomers improve. The biggest problem with hardcore sims is that it attracts with flair and repells with simulation for most gamers out there. I’m guessing that MAC is that void between the two extremes of game and sim that will most likely entice the pilots that excel at it to look for more and more realism. Falcon 4.0 did it quite well albeit the terrain graphics were pathetic.

[SonofEil]

I want it to be harder, that basket needs to move with the bow wake. Also it isn't hard to leave the end of your probe in there as a gift to the boom operator.

 

I also want AAR to be harder.

Before going VR AAR was pretty difficult for me. I got 'good' at it with practice but it was always a white knuckle affair. And that's probably a primary source of complaint: even when you can do it, on a 2D screen AAR just isn't that enjoyable. It just becomes a process that highlights the limitations of the simulation hardware.

In VR it's...kind of easy tbh, and fun! You still have to learn it and practice but in the grand scheme of things it's not too difficult at all. I'm glad we'll finally see wake turbulence (depending on the meaning of 'coming soon'). Hopefully we'll get basket physics sooner rather than later too and maybe one day atmospheric turbulence. I want the challenge back!

 

Falcon 4.0 did it quite well albeit the terrain graphics were pathetic.

 

They were actually pretty good for their time 20 years ago. And the things accomplished with FF and BMS were damn amazing. I drifted away from it a while ago but it earned it's place as one of the greats in my book.

Edited February 2, 2019 by SonofEil

[NeilWillis]

And now - wingtip vortices. Just another little factor to make refueling more fun. But we still definitely DO NOT need an easy option to make life boring.

 

Life is hard, and then you die!

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Not only AAR,

We need a "Multi-Player Auto Air Combat" option (MPAAC) also, so I can get multi-player kills when it's too hard, and so I don't get shot down by someone better than me (that would be, mostly everyone) :cry::cry: .

I mean, I'm entitled to be a hardcore MP Erich Hartmann without having to do something like study, work and train for it! :ranting::protest:

I mean really peoples, what is this supposed to be, some sort of military simulation or something?

Geeezzzz.... :chair: :rotflmao: :bye_2:

 

That's an oversimplified analysis.

 

You're not going to try your first A/A engagement against 4x Mig-29 in a Sabre, you'll not try your first landing with a 30kt crosswind, nor your first bombing run against a SAM site. The difficulty of almost every aspect of this game is scale-able. There's no good reason why AAR should be any different for those that need it.

[Akula]

And now - wingtip vortices. Just another little factor to make refueling more fun. But we still definitely DO NOT need an easy option to make life boring.

 

Life is hard, and then you die!

 

Why not? What's so bad about it? How will it make your life boring if it's an option?

[Txshooter38]

Why not? What's so bad about it? How will it make your life boring if it's an option?

If you are unable to refuel mid air there is already an option for unlimited fuel. Seems like that would solve the problem of wanting to fly certain mission but not being able to because of fuel constraints.

[Akula]

If you are unable to refuel mid air there is already an option for unlimited fuel. Seems like that would solve the problem of wanting to fly certain mission but not being able to because of fuel constraints.

 

See post 101 on page 11 of this thread

[Txshooter38]

10-4. I just wanted to make sure you were aware of what is available as a work around as it sits right now.

 

Keep at it even though it is frustrating. I was going NUTS not being able to do it and then one day......

 

Keep tinkering with your curves and trying some of the tips in this thread. You never know which day your are going to sit down and it is going to click. I sure didn't!

[SacredRaziel]

See post 101 on page 11 of this thread

So you would rather let the devs spend precious time on a new feature instead of telling your friends you are unable to aar so that they can adjust the mission by either adding a airfield to refuel or tick the infinit fuel checkbox...

 

 

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[Akula]

So you would rather let the devs spend precious time on a new feature instead of telling your friends you are unable to aar so that they can adjust the mission by either adding a airfield to refuel or tick the infinit fuel checkbox...

 

 

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See post 91 on page 10 of this thread

[SacredRaziel]

See post 91 on page 10 of this thread

I don't really see your point there. Ofc newcomers should not be overchallanged. But a simulation certainly requires some level of practice. Expecting be able to do everything from the beginning negates the purpose of a simulation.

 

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[Flamin_Squirrel]

That's been covered. Honestly, the people accusing those of wanting this of being lazy seem to be the ones who've not bothered to read through this thread.

[SacredRaziel]

That's been covered. Honestly, the people accusing those of wanting this of being lazy seem to be the ones who've not bothered to read through this thread.

Ofc it's been covered. But the wishlist is afaik not just an idea dump but a platform for discussion aswell to provide ed with enough opinions from the community to decide if it's worth it or not. The amount of posts in this particular thread shows, that there are different opinions and I am just tossing one in aswell hoping that the implementation of a feature as desired by the op is, if at all, at the very bottom of the priority list.

 

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[Akula]

That's been covered. Honestly, the people accusing those of wanting this of being lazy seem to be the ones who've not bothered to read through this thread.

 

Precisely, why bother repeating myself when it’s obvious they don’t care to read the previous posts. Maybe those that prefer things to be harder should go back and drive cars that required double clutching..... yes those were the days. And while they’re at it and since it’s just tooo easy, maybe they should throw out all their appliances, you know because making things harder is the best way to learn.

 

I would be interested to see a link to a reliable and truthful website that describes the steps involved in getting a real life military pilot to learn how to fly because I’ll bet it is not how it is in the game. In real life those planes cost money so you can bet that they’re not going to train a pilot to run a case 1 recovery pattern before teaching him to land in the carrier. I land on the carrier with a mile long approach because I need to and I WANT to. Once that skill is mastered I’ll try case 1 and I doubt that the navy would do it backwards just because they think things should be harder and prefer to risk a pilot and a 60 million dollar jet.

Edited February 2, 2019 by Akula

[SacredRaziel]

Precisely, why bother repeating myself when it’s obvious they don’t care to read the previous post. Maybe those that prefer things to be harder should go back and drive cars that required double clutching..... yes those were the days. And while they’re at it and since it’s just tooo easy, maybe they should throw out all their appliances, you know because making things harder is the best way to learn.

 

 

 

I would be interested to see a link to a reliable and truthful website that describes the steps involved in getting a real life military pilot to learn how to fly because I’ll bet it is not how it is in the game. In real life those planes cost money so you can bet that they’re not going to train a pilot to run a case 1 recovery pattern before teaching him to land in the carrier. I land on the carrier with a mile long approach because I need to and I WANT to. Once that skill is mastered I’ll try case 1 and I doubt that the navy would do it backwards just because they think things should be harder and prefer to risk a pilot and a 60 million dollar jet.

Ofc they don't just toss those guys in a plane and let them try. That's what simulators are for. You can be sure though there won't be an easy mode. If you learn it wrong you don't really need to bother.

 

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[Akula]

they don't just toss those guys in a plane and let them try. That's what simulators are for.

 

Even in a sim it makes more sense to teach them how to land before teaching them the C1 pattern because in a real jet if the student can't perform the landing running the pattern AT LEAST the instructor can say; "OK, let's just land and we'll go through a debrief."

Edited February 2, 2019 by Akula