jojo Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 What happens when pressing the fire trigger with PSID? Radar attempts to change PSIC and fire missile. What happens if PSIC fails? Does missile fire anyway or is missile inhibited from firing? What should happen? The missile shouldn’t launch without PSIC. Europe has quite a high density of population. Launching a Fox 1 without proper guidance isn’t really an option. Back to DCS it’s sometimes difficult to assess if: - missile is launched without proper PSIC - PSIC is broken shortly after launch (like ECM at range > burn through) When in doubt, the best is to manually switch to PSIC instead of firing from PSID (with auto PSIC). Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 By ECM you mean when the target enables ECM just after the shooter launched the 530? DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 By ECM you mean when the target enables ECM just after the shooter launched the 530? Yes, that’s it. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHeN Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 What happens when pressing the fire trigger with PSID? Radar attempts to change PSIC and fire missile. exactly What happens if PSIC fails? Does missile fire anyway or is missile inhibited from firing? What should happen? if PSIC fails, you get a warning on the hud 'NO PSIC' and if pressed fire before it, the missile will still go off the rail, regardless of radar not being in PSIC and of course it wont track but if you manage to gain PSIC lock after the launch and the target will be within the seeker's FOV, the missile might track [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boagord Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Exactly, in the game, if you're in PID and press fire, and for some reasons the radar is unable to go PIC, the missile is launched. And often lose. Because of that I prefer to manually Go PIC. I understand the logical of the real life launch rules but it is not how it works ingame. Envoyé de mon SM-G930F en utilisant Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatikus Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 So what will it take to get these bugs to the bug tracker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Are you sure that none of these two is this bug? "M-2000C radar has bugged NCTR system" "Radar target selection bug" I'm sure Razbam is aware of this bug after many months now already after the initial bug report. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHeN Posted December 16, 2018 Author Share Posted December 16, 2018 no, daniel, those are different bugs with separate threads read up [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 "read up" where? DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) So what will it take to get these bugs to the bug tracker? I guess a petition to Razbam, or a petition to ED concerning Razbam and their communication with the community. (or both petitions) Edited December 16, 2018 by DanielNL DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHeN Posted December 16, 2018 Author Share Posted December 16, 2018 Daniel you don't use sectoral scan anyway, why would you even care ? lol [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Daniel you don't use sectoral scan anyway, why would you even care ? lol What makes you even believe that??? I use the most narrow beam mode almost 75-85% of the time that my radar is emitting... I even have it setup on my HOTAS (only the medium beam I have to click in cockpit, I don't use that one that often currently) DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Is or ISN'T this bugtracker-bug this bug? "Radar Target Selection Bug" If nobody knows, can we please get an official Razbam statement on this? DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeFan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Is or ISN'T this bugtracker-bug this bug? "Radar Target Selection Bug" If nobody knows, can we please get an official Razbam statement on this? Good luck. Seems to me that this is something pretty serious, and them not commenting on it shows. Dont think it will be fixed, due to huge code rewrite, and from what I heard Razbaam only left one guy to maintain the m2000 as the rest of the company is moving forward. Pretty game breaking to me, considering its unplayable oil f you are losing lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 "oil f" ? DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 And what's your source for it requiring a "huge code rewrite" ? We as customers paid our hard-earned money for this module TO WORK in PvP, now if Razbam doesn't respond to this by mid january I'll make a petition and ask you guys to sign it. From there I have other steps under the sleeve to get Razbam to fix this over-6-months (afaik) persisting bug. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Armed assault of Ecuador maybe? " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) -edited- Edited January 4, 2019 by DanielNL DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Jeez ¡¡¡ You have a serious problem mate. No offense. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Yep, maybe you didn't earn your M2000-spent money as hard as I did. But just this, I'm not gonna get tricked by Razbam another time (Mig-19, super tucano. Too much risk for bugs that make them super bad at PvP). (edited above post) DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 If you adopt this posture with every module that already have old bugs still not fixed you will find you cant fly anything under DCS. Maybe is time to move to something else you and your money. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 If you adopt this posture with every module that already have old bugs still not fixed you will find you cant fly anything under DCS. Maybe is time to move to something else you and your money. No, I've spent the last 6 years with DCS PvP and I had too many epic combat moments (my YouTube channel shows it and ) to now simply "abandon" this whole simulator. Btw we're also still waiting for many more PvP servers to finally make CA vehicles fully accessible (to finally drive vehicles in 1st person again and more often, Tor & Osa can be a beast). DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Fine. Good luck with your boycotts. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Fine. Good luck with your boycotts. I don't think it'll even have to get that far, if Razbam sees the amount of (anonymous) signees on the TWS bug petition that probably will change their programming department fast enough. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 You're doing petitions and other stuff for a 6 months old bug in a module that is still in development/not finished and yet, there are far older bugs around for finished modules and noone bats an eye. Maybe you should calm down a bit and wait for the completion of the module. Or turn down your expectations. No matter what you do, it won't change their way of developing things. If they want, they could also just run away with your money like someone else. Be happy that they even brought you the Mirage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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