Control system

[=4c=Nikola]

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Edited April 1, 2020 by =4c=Nikola

[Esac_mirmidon]

Try yourself turning off the damper.

[Vatikus]

YoYo explained to me, that they opted for not simulating this effect due most users not having FBB and as it is FC3. This however does not mean that SAS is not working behind the scene.

I argued that why it is so as other autopilot stick movement is simulated, but there was classic "FC3" reply.

[Vatikus]

It can be turned off... you need to wait 2-3seconds.

[draconus]

[yufighter]

Tried to turn off damper. Doesn't work (light stays on).

 

I gave real mig-29 pilot to try it. He says it feels nowhere like real one, and that they would consider aircraft with such control characteristics unairworthy.

How did he comment on the landing?

[TOViper]

Tried to turn off damper. Doesn't work (light stays on).

 

I gave real mig-29 pilot to try it. He says it feels nowhere like real one, and that they would consider aircraft with such control characteristics unairworthy.

 

 

I believe your story.

 

 

IMHO:

 

The current behaviour can't be realistic.

PIO under 400 km/h is possible with only little effort.

The energy around lateral axis the aircraft gains when pitching seems like it had the half or a quater of the real mass, the inertia doesn't feel right.

Or the values for aerodynamic forces are too high.

[Aluminum Donkey]

Lots of talk about the MiG-29 being too 'twitchy' in pitch, that the controls are too hairy and that the flight model can't be realistic because of excessive pitch sensitivity leading to PIO especially at lower speeds.

 

Almost all of us are using desk-top control sticks with our computers. Try adding a foot-long (~30cm) extension to your control stick and remove the pitch axis curve, then try it. :)

 

The real MiG-29 doesn't have a stubby little control stick! Neither does the Spitfire, which people have also complained about, saying the pitch axis is far too sensitive.

 

It's all because our flight sticks are much too short, so control inputs tend to be too coarse, and it's PIO-City.

 

AD

[draconus]

I gave real mig-29 pilot to try it. He says it feels nowhere like real one, and that they would consider aircraft with such control characteristics unairworthy.

 

It's completely normal for the real pilots to give different opinions about simulators sometimes contradicting each other. Reasons being different view and control setup (what AD says) and also the simple fact that it's really hard for the RL pilot to get any real feel if he's not used to simulators in the first place.

[TOViper]

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Almost all of us are using desk-top control sticks with our computers. Try adding a foot-long (~30cm) extension to your control stick and remove the pitch axis curve, then try it. ...

AD

 

 

I totally forgot about that fact.

 

 

 

So you are saying my stick is too short? Man ... how could you!?! :P

 

 

I will give a longer stick a try and an report back once accomplished.

[mkiii]

Lots of talk about the MiG-29 being too 'twitchy' in pitch, that the controls are too hairy and that the flight model can't be realistic because of excessive pitch sensitivity leading to PIO especially at lower speeds.

 

Almost all of us are using desk-top control sticks with our computers. Try adding a foot-long (~30cm) extension to your control stick and remove the pitch axis curve, then try it. :)

 

The real MiG-29 doesn't have a stubby little control stick! Neither does the Spitfire, which people have also complained about, saying the pitch axis is far too sensitive.

 

It's all because our flight sticks are much too short, so control inputs tend to be too coarse, and it's PIO-City.

 

AD

Yet you don't find it odd that people manage to control other aircraft without these problems just by adding a curve? I'm managing the Spit and even the TwitchMonster that is the Gazelle with my stubby little Warthog. Only the Mig-29 is proving to be a glitchy deathtrap.

[Langrenus]

Thank Allah you cannot die in a simulator unless it is from natural causes.