MiG-35's new systems - OLS

[TucksonSonny]

This video demonstrates a system that will keep the MiG pilot aware of all threats and targets in a way never before done. AMRAAM's won't be able to touch this plane.

Next generation EOS: show-off.

 

Check it out:

MiG-35's new systems - OLS (Part 1/2):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNzlzMp3kB0

MiG-35's new systems - OLS (Part 2/2):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZw3H5s6cqo

[D-Scythe]

This video demonstrates a system that will keep the MiG pilot aware of all threats and targets in a way never before done. AMRAAM's won't be able to touch this plane.

 

As IRST/EO's biggest fan, I realize it's your job to sell these things, but ever hear of something called false advertising? Or embellishing?

[Pilotasso]

AMRAAM's won't be able to touch this plane.

 

:lol:

[TucksonSonny]

As IRST/EO's biggest fan, I realize it's your job to sell these things, but ever hear of something called false advertising? Or embellishing?

 

I realize it's your job to sell the F-35 :D

(Of course F-22 is not for sale)

[Pilotasso]

BEst countermeasure in the world against Mig-35....a cloud. ;)

[TucksonSonny]

:lol:

 

I was expecting such a reaction from you:

Your contempt for Russian hardware slinks off…

The contrast with your upgraded Portuguese scrap-iron-30-year-old-F-16 with the new Mig-35 tells another story.

I know it: Belgium air force sits in the same scrap-iron (or is it low quality old-alu) class.

[Pilotasso]

I was expecting such a reaction from you:

Your contempt for Russian hardware slinks off…

The contrast with your upgraded Portuguese scrap-iron-30-year-old-F-16 with the new Mig-35 tells another story.

I know it: Belgium air force sits in the same scrap-iron (or is it low quality old-alu) class.

 

I have no comtempt against russian hardware. Just against chronicaly contagious hype and then disapointment by triple digit kill ratios against.

[TucksonSonny]

BEst countermeasure in the world against Mig-35....a cloud. ;)

 

Of course a cloud can cover your ass for 1 second out of 30 seconds!

[eric37a]

Okay, someone want to translate? I get that it is an advanced ir tracking system, but beyond that my Russian is a bit rusty;)

[TucksonSonny]

I have no comtempt against russian hardware. Just against chronicaly contagious hype and then disapointment by triple digit kill ratios against.

 

I am not impressed!

Last real kill ratio was made by Erich Hartmann with 352 kills (Mostly Me-109)

[mcnab]

I have no comtempt against russian hardware. Just against chronicaly contagious hype and then disapointment by triple digit kill ratios against.

 

Against which airframes? Iraqi and serbian outdated MiG-29A's with at best, mediocre trained pilots?

 

You can't compare those old buckets with 35, unless you're referring to the big picture, AWACS, logistics etc., but that's again completely different subject.

 

I believe these latest MiGs wouldn't be as easy to kill as the ones almost 30 yrs old, to say the least.

[Pilotasso]

Against which airframes? Iraqi and serbian outdated MiG-29A's with at best, mediocre trained pilots?

 

You can't compare those old buckets with 35, unless you're referring to the big picture, AWACS, logistics etc., but that's again completely different subject.

 

I believe these latest MiGs wouldn't be as easy to kill as the ones almost 30 yrs old, to say the least.

 

Su-27's over eritrea against the same Mig-29A's missed dozens of shots in just a few engagements. It went down to R-73's.

 

The Mig-35's are being sold to the same poorly trained mig operators, and those planes do not offer nothing that others made in Europe or US dont have already.

 

Chances are Kill ratios wouldnt be much different now with these new versions just like F-16A Versus Mig-29A was 20 years ago.

[TucksonSonny]

Su-27's over eritrea against the same Mig-29A's missed dozens of shots in just a few engagements. It went down to R-73's.

 

F-16's/F-15’s over Iraq in Gulf War I against the same Mig-29A's/Mig-25’s missed dozens of shots (AIM-120A/AIM-7) in just a few engagements.

[Pilotasso]

F-16's/F-15’s over Iraq in Gulf War I against the same Mig-29A's/Mig-25’s missed dozens of shots (AIM-120A/AIM-7) in just a few engagements.

 

They were mostly hawling ass anyway, just take a look at the accounts. They werent hit but then so couldnt they do much while retreating in afterburner. Every single one that stood their ground were shot down, and Id like to remind you some occasions the teens were heavily outnumbered.

[TucksonSonny]

They were mostly hawling ass anyway, just take a look at the accounts. They werent hit but then so couldnt they do much while retreating in afterburner. Every single one that stood their ground were shot down, and Id like to remind you some occasions the teens were heavily outnumbered.

 

Of course Cowboy-mud-movers couldn’t catch up with the Mig-25! :D

[tflash]

Anyway, I wonder who will win the MRCA contest. At least India will have the opportunity to make a thourough comparison.

[Groove]

Guys, i know how this thread will end :D

[tflash]

Roger. I edited my post.

[SVK_Fox]

When I talked with our mig-29 pilots about some bvr and close combats against other aircrafts like F-16 and hawks I heard som interesting but well known things. F-16 got advantage in BVR (our mig-29A early version got poor radar) but in close combat Migs got advantages. Also experiences of pilots are very important. Before few months some hawks pilots trained here against our pilots and as our pilots said - they were very dangerous and experienced with many and many hours in hawks. Mostly they were instructors on hawks in Britain, so best of the best. So you know what I mean. But MIG-29s engage them all - and reason? Power of RD-33. This information is for sure secret :) so pssssst.

So, whitch plane is better? If you got well trained pilots, with powerfull jets and newest electronic, you are on the right way to say - my plane will win most of fights. But If you miss something (for exp.trained pilots) they could fail also on jets like Su-27SM or F-35.

[golfsierra2]

They were mostly hawling ass anyway, just take a look at the accounts. They werent hit but then so couldnt they do much while retreating in afterburner. Every single one that stood their ground were shot down, and Id like to remind you some occasions the teens were heavily outnumbered.

 

That's a valid point. Kill ratio's as posted here say nothing of the circumstances that they were achieved at.

10 vs 50 will always end up in a poor kill ratio for those 10 (RIP), because they never will have time to employ a good tactic...

[RvETito]

Guys, i know how this thread will end :D

 

You're not alone ;) Usualy the first or in the best case the first two posts are on-topic. I bet there won't be a single post containing any details and useful info about this new EOS of the new MiG anymore. Like somebody said these days- move on, nothing to see here :)

[Pilotasso]

Im a little less persistent than I used to be so, rant away :D Im off for now.

[mcnab]

Su-27's over eritrea against the same Mig-29A's missed dozens of shots in just a few engagements. It went down to R-73's.

 

True, but do u think they'd spend so much into developement of MiG-35 just to equip it with poor peforming A-A missiles? As for those R-27's, it's hard to believe they performed so badly against not so difficult opponent (we're talking MiG 29A here).

[S77th-GOYA]

Summary statistic of the OLS

In air combat complex allows:

• detect not-afterburning target on the 45km range and more;

• identify this target on 8-10km range;

• estimate aerial target range up to 15 km.

For the ground targets complex allows:

• tank effective detection range up to 15 km, aircraft carrier - 60-80 km;

• identify the tank type on the 8-10 km, aircraft carrier type - 40-60 km;

• estimate ground target range up to 20 km.

While of the defensive system, a complex consist of radio electronic reconnaissance, electronic counter measures and optronic systems, notable the laser emission detector on each wing tip are able to detect and evaluate the approaching danger and incorporate decoy dispensers to counteract the approaching target in the radar and infrared ranges.

 

It says so on Wiki, so it's got to be true. :smilewink:

 

Think about it...

 

...it can't discern range until 15k. That's a bit close.

[GGTharos]

It might be a laser rangefinder limitation.