Rabbisaur Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) Hi, I just got the C101 and I immediately find that 9M and magic on it are rear aspect only. Is there anything I need to set to make them all aspect like on other planes or this is a weapon bug? Edited April 3, 2022 by Vibora
RavenFrost Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 Sounds strange, 9M uses an all aspect IR-seaker. Not sure about the magic but it should work the same way. You can't change the the aspect of the seaker. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Rabbisaur Posted April 18, 2019 Author Posted April 18, 2019 I tried them yesterday, both MP against other players or SP against various AI. 9M and Magic on C101 seems rear aspect only.
kontiuka Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 Yes, they are currently only rear aspect. Here's a bit of discussion on it. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3786823#post3786823
Rabbisaur Posted April 18, 2019 Author Posted April 18, 2019 Thanks for the info. I hope the developers will fix it soon.
Rabbisaur Posted April 24, 2019 Author Posted April 24, 2019 The information is not correct. L39 can fire head to head. The bug is C101 specific. I repeat, AIM9M and Magic on C101 are rear aspect only. And it is something AvioDev needs to fix.
Schmidtfire Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 L39 cannot fire ”head to head”. C-101 suffers same issue as the Hawk did (Aim-9M rear aspect only). You are right that the coding is in Aviodev’s hands, but this is an issue that has affected several modules over the years.
kontiuka Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 The information is not correct. L39 can fire head to head. The bug is C101 specific. I repeat, AIM9M and Magic on C101 are rear aspect only. And it is something AvioDev needs to fix.Did you get an actual head-to-head kill with the L-39?
hisothiro Posted April 25, 2019 Posted April 25, 2019 Did you get an actual head-to-head kill with the L-39? The aspect at which you can fire a missile is missile-dependant and not aircraft dependant. If you can fit an R-60M (all aspect IR missile) on an L-39, that L-39 can achieve a head-to-head missile kill. I agree with OP that the -9M and Magic II being rear aspect only on the C-101CC is a bug (or a mistake? I've observed it too). The real missiles are all aspect, and the airframe on which they are mounted does not affect it. F-5 | Mirage | Huey | Mig-21 | Ka-50 | F/A-18C | F-14A/B
Rabbisaur Posted April 25, 2019 Author Posted April 25, 2019 Did you get an actual head-to-head kill with the L-39? Yes, actual H2H kill on L39
Rabbisaur Posted April 25, 2019 Author Posted April 25, 2019 L39 cannot fire ”head to head”. C-101 suffers same issue as the Hawk did (Aim-9M rear aspect only). You are right that the coding is in Aviodev’s hands, but this is an issue that has affected several modules over the years. You can shot R60 head 2 head on L39
Schmidtfire Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 (edited) The aspect at which you can fire a missile is missile-dependant and not aircraft dependant. If you can fit an R-60M (all aspect IR missile) on an L-39, that L-39 can achieve a head-to-head missile kill. I agree with OP that the -9M and Magic II being rear aspect only on the C-101CC is a bug (or a mistake? I've observed it too). The real missiles are all aspect, and the airframe on which they are mounted does not affect it. You are correct about real world implementation. But real world has nothing to do with DCS code. The missile "lock" or "Launch Authorized" are module dependant in DCS. In flight the missile will use rear / all aspect capabilities. But until launched it is up to the aircraft. That is why on C-101CC, Aviodev has to code the lock/launch parameters so missile can be fired as all-aspect. It is up to the aircraft module until the missile fly through the air. @Rabbisaur: I highly doubt that you can get a proper lock and launch head on with L39. But if you can - great, in that case a bug since release has been fixed :) Edited April 26, 2019 by Schmidtfire
Rabbisaur Posted April 29, 2019 Author Posted April 29, 2019 @Rabbisaur: I highly doubt that you can get a proper lock and launch head on with L39. But if you can - great, in that case a bug since release has been fixed :) Yes, you can. Just go try it yourself.
Rabbisaur Posted April 30, 2019 Author Posted April 30, 2019 Any one from the dev team has seen this?
Vibora Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 Yes, I took this thread into account. Roberto "Vibora" Seoane Alas Rojas [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Rabbisaur Posted April 30, 2019 Author Posted April 30, 2019 Yes, I took this thread into account. Thank you so much!
Gascan39 Posted May 30, 2019 Posted May 30, 2019 I got a gunzo kill head on against a Flanker in a CC. He WAS on final in his defense, lol
darkman222 Posted January 15, 2022 Posted January 15, 2022 To bump this thread up again. Any news about the all aspect capability of the AIM9M and Magic missile? This jet is way too much fun in the BVR area on a server I like. But it would be more fun if I could surprise the bandits by slow flying and shooting missiles head on. At the moment the seeker seems way too unsensitive even when trying to lock the back of an aircraft. I am on free trial at the moment. But for a full price 80$ module I would expect the missiles to work correctly.
kontiuka Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, darkman222 said: To bump this thread up again. Any news about the all aspect capability of the AIM9M and Magic missile? This jet is way too much fun in the BVR area on a server I like. But it would be more fun if I could surprise the bandits by slow flying and shooting missiles head on. At the moment the seeker seems way too unsensitive even when trying to lock the back of an aircraft. I am on free trial at the moment. But for a full price 80$ module I would expect the missiles to work correctly. My hope is that they'll figure this out for the Mirage F-1 and port the fix over to the C-101. The issue is caused by the mix of rear-aspect and all-aspect missiles that the C-101 carries.
kontiuka Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, darkman222 said: I am on free trial at the moment. But for a full price 80$ module I would expect the missiles to work correctly. It is $60.
darkman222 Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) Well $60. But still a full price non-early access module and $10 more expensive than the almost fully functional Mig19 in early access. Thats not a minor bug but a big tactical disadvantage the price does make no excuses for. So basically the DCS code cant handle a mix between rear aspect and all aspect missiles capabilities in one aircraft? But it can handle different sensitivities and seeker head gimbal limits like the aim9m and aim9x mix in the F16? Well okay then... Fingers crossed... 7 hours ago, kontiuka said: My hope is that they'll figure this out for the Mirage F-1 and port the fix over to the C-101. Edited January 16, 2022 by darkman222
TLTeo Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) It's odd because some modules have this issue, others do not. The L-39 is (was?) in a similar situation with the R-60M, but the Viggen, F-5 and Mig-21 work as intended. Edited January 16, 2022 by TLTeo
paco2002 Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 6:15 PM, TLTeo said: It's odd because some modules have this issue, others do not. The L-39 is (was?) in a similar situation with the R-60M, but the Viggen, F-5 and Mig-21 work as intended. The L-39 still suffers this issue
darkman222 Posted January 20, 2022 Posted January 20, 2022 Seems like modules that are not so common like the C101 or the L39 wont be fixed then, instead to the more popular ones like the F5 or Mig21. Although the C101 and L39 are not early access any more.
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