SuperKungFu Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 I have to agree with Yeniceri here, he's doing a good deed and he is being bombarded with these critics. This is probably the same type of thing that drove other modelers away. We’re lucky that the model has already progressed this far, I didn’t expect this much work to be done within this short amount of time anyway. He doesn’t have to give us daily updates, we were lucky to get weekly updates or even monthly updates in the past. Just because he shows a WIP screen, doesn’t mean you have to point out all the faults. I’m sure Yeniceri is on top of it, he has built a model before. So enough with all the antagonizing critics and let the man work. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
NotiA10 Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Yeniceri, the hog looks tops :thumbup: there will be many happy people out there when its finished. wbr, :pilotfly: S77th-NotiA10 p.s./ dont get upset cause of 1 or 2 critics - the number of people appreciating what you are doing is much greater. :pilotfly: NotiA10 CoolerMaster HAF RC-932 - Intel Core i7 950 - Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro - Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R - Kingston DDR3 6GB - Gigabyte Radeon HD 5870 EF 6 Edition - Western Digital 640GB SATA-III - CoolerMaster 700W - TrackIR Pro 4 - Saitek X52 - Saitek Rudder Pedals - Hotas Warthog
Trident Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 the level of detail on the model is ridiculous frankly for the Lo game engine you need to check back on the forums , the correct maximum poly size for aircraft , and reduce - or build to accordingly ! also this model is still a stolen ,or a model of highly dubious origin at best - and you should not feel comfortable in that fact , modifying / rebuilding sections or whatever ! you are simple feeding the free lunch brigade , and not producing a legit 100% your own work model , to my ethics and morale code , this is not right and should not be applauded frankly ! sorry to rain on the parade , but thats how i see it ! Troff, IIRC the origin of the basic model is well known in this case. It was created by krazyscotsman for the Phoenix flightsim project, and lo-fi obtained permission from him before starting to work on it for LOMAC. So, unless krazyscotsman himself is not the real author Yeniceri is in the clear here. That's all I know, please correct me if my information on the situation is incomplete.
Troffmeister Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Ok well firstly i never have done drugs , and never will so no thanks i am not high ! as i said before - how come i have that exact same a10 model with all its flaws etc ???? i know where it came from , and its not where you guys think it did , or was made by - as i said at best it has dubious origins , and could be considered as stolen - as in previous threds on stuff like the f18 / f14 etc - the legality of 3d ownership and licensed usage has been discussed many times . I would not be comfortable converting it to Lo on these grounds , as i said i have a morale code and ethics , on 3d model ownership and usage of others original work ! all i am saying is i think Lo models need to be 50k polys - and imo it would be best to make an a10 afresh , and i am trying to point out that you are messing with a 3d model of potentially dubious ownership and legality why not just made a fresh model 100% and avoid any hassle and problems ?
SuperKungFu Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 as i said before - how come i have that exact same a10 model with all its flaws etc ???? Well i did put a link for it to download a long time ago. If you still feel like it was made by someone else, then just tell us where do you think it came from. Stop accusing everyone of stealing and hiding around the bushes while saying all these legal issues. I got it from krazyscotman, he said he made it, and i trust him. And yes you made it clear it should be around 50 k polys, the model is getting there. By starting off with this project, it saves times. Like Yeniceri said, i posted this A-10 link a long time ago, why are you bringing this up now. Why didn't you bring this up when lofi was working on it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
PythonOne Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Troff, either provide evidence or be quiet. That's all i've got to say.
Troffmeister Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 read more carefully - where did i accuse any named individual of stealing ? never posted in a10 thred before as it was dead , there was no need - but since you resurrected it , felt it best to point out put it this way i could give you guys 3dmax models of commercial models - with copywrites on and eula's and all sorts of legal stuff - yes you could convert them into Lo , but does that make it right ? , and yes you could get into legal trouble from the original authors , if they found out thats my point in a nutshell you guys just want a new a10 and could not care less about where it came from etc - thats your call i just did not want to see anyone get into any trouble
SuperKungFu Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Yea that's the point I'm trying to get across you. You keep sayings it’s a commercial model, would you like to point out which one it came from. Because, as I've said time and time before, I trust that krazyscotman made this model. I got his permission to mod it and put it into lock on. So it makes it right. Now if you can provide some evidence that this indeed came from a commercial product, then tell us. Otherwise, what you are doing right now is accusing of people of stealing [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Troffmeister Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 on many forums , people claim ownership and work which is not their own , thats 3d modding for you and there are ways and means at getting hold of 3d models and into 3dmax form i have this a10 model i acquired it for my own reference usage , not from you or that guy , so you tell me ? maybe the guy you are quoting did the same , to mod his project ?? and no i am not going to tell you how exactly i did it or from where if you guys are happy to proceed , then cool , go ahead , i am not the 3d police force , just be careful with 3d models , and don't always believe everything you are told all i know is that the a10 i have was not built by me , and i got to it , and it came from an engine , was built by an author , and was not destined for Lo originally - i have probably 1000 ref models like this - is it payware ? honestly can't remember - but i would not use it myself and try to pass it off to a new game engine as is - i would rebuild it , use it as a helper / reference - eg 100% new build material , nothing wrong in doing that hence my suggestion build a new model
SuperKungFu Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 I'm not surprised if you have this model, once i asked from krazyscotman to put it up for download, the link was public. So again, it could have been on another site which you got from without the original author's name. I got it from krazyscotman, and he said he made it. Judging by the knowledge he has and WIP screens, i gave him the benifit of the doubt that he made it. And since you continue to refuse to give the "commercial" name of this A-10, your argument is flawed and this conversation is over. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Troffmeister Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 throw your rattle out of the pram why don't you ! how do you expect me to remember and name every single 3d model i have viewed or acquired over the last 10 years ! i dumped all my 3d stuff on my hard drive last month , im order to make some new dvd backups , and it came to 15 gigabytes or raw data , mainly 3dmax files ! i do know tho which models i made and which models i have collected shall we say from various sources , and i do know and recognise that a10 model - and it did not come from you or this forum ! so all i am saying is GUYS BE CAREFUL , i think that a10 model comes from somewhere else - it may be better and more sensible to make a 100% afresh 3d model if you can't accept that , or in the spirit it is offered , then shame on you ! and while we are at it ,stop misquoting me , and putting words in my mouth , and saying i am accusing individuals of stealing . If i wanted to say person x or y was a thief , i would come out and just say it !
PythonOne Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Man this happy occasion for a new A-10 model was derailed by you Troff. Making a new A-10 model from scratch takes time, and more time = unhappy hoggers. If you can't prove that this A-10 didn't come from krazyscotman, then stop creating such a big commotion about it. Yeniceri, please continue this project, its really nice.
Troffmeister Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 well your just another fine example of the free luncher brigade you have no idea how long or short it takes to create a model from scratch - its often quicker to build afresh , than to correct bad shaping on someone elses model or bad cutting etc when you have something credible to say other than " give me " i might take your comments on board
SuperKungFu Posted August 31, 2007 Posted August 31, 2007 the 57k and the 100k model is the same A-10 model. The 57 k derived from the original 100k model. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Yeniceri Posted August 31, 2007 Author Posted August 31, 2007 ppl.. i remodeled the gears, pylons, jet intakes .. i am planning to remodel the canopy, the pit and all the antennas .. whats left? body and wings.. when its done. I'l get back to there if i have time.. You made your point truff.. We understood.. now be quiet... 1 [sIGPIC]http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa200/misikci/41-imza-1.jpg[/sIGPIC] "To infinity...and beyond!.." SIM-MOD Modeler TURK!
NotiA10 Posted August 31, 2007 Posted August 31, 2007 yeniceri, have you got any new pictures to show us "pls pls pls". :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :pilotfly: NotiA10 :pilotfly: NotiA10 CoolerMaster HAF RC-932 - Intel Core i7 950 - Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro - Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R - Kingston DDR3 6GB - Gigabyte Radeon HD 5870 EF 6 Edition - Western Digital 640GB SATA-III - CoolerMaster 700W - TrackIR Pro 4 - Saitek X52 - Saitek Rudder Pedals - Hotas Warthog
Troffmeister Posted August 31, 2007 Posted August 31, 2007 Yeniceri , i have no problem with you or anyone else on here , but lets be clear , this is a discussion forum , never tell me to be quiet or shut up on any issue - this is a democratic discussion forum , and as long as i am staying on topic and within the forum rules , i will post my comments if you don't like it , you know where the door is
Highwayman-Ed Posted August 31, 2007 Posted August 31, 2007 Troff, I think what we're all saying is that you've made your point... I as well as a whole bunch of other people are desperate for the A-10 to get some long over due attention in lockon. I don't mean any disrespect to you, and I appreciate your warning to the community, but without any solid proof by anyone, we have no reason to turn our backs on somebody who is willing to bring us what we want. If at any time you or any other member has some proof that this model is not for public consumption, please post it here. Until then, please let's stop this debate, it's gone on long enough already. Intel i9-9900KF @5.2GHz MSI Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon 32GB G.Skill Trident Z DDR3200 RAM MSI RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio 40" Panasonic TH-40DX600U @ 4K Pimax Vision 8K Plus / Oculus Rift CV1 / HTC Vive Gametrix JetSeat with SimShaker Windows 10 64 Bit Home Edition [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Yeniceri Posted August 31, 2007 Author Posted August 31, 2007 Ok guys.. gonna cut early today.. need to upgrade my game machine :) then gonna grab a beer and fly :) its 78500.. reds optimized.. other colors remodeled.. as usual.. C u on servers ppl :) Trof.. u'r the man.. Hang on there..I am about to give up... LOL 3 [sIGPIC]http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa200/misikci/41-imza-1.jpg[/sIGPIC] "To infinity...and beyond!.." SIM-MOD Modeler TURK!
amalahama Posted August 31, 2007 Posted August 31, 2007 Great job Yeniceri :thumbup: I'm really looking for this. I recommend you to use the same UVW mapping that Lockon A-10, so the maps for Lockon A-10 and your A-10 will be compatible. Regards!!
Yeniceri Posted August 31, 2007 Author Posted August 31, 2007 just messin with yah ...:pilotfly: 1 [sIGPIC]http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa200/misikci/41-imza-1.jpg[/sIGPIC] "To infinity...and beyond!.." SIM-MOD Modeler TURK!
sp0nge Posted August 31, 2007 Posted August 31, 2007 Indeed, Sweeet looking model. Rep it up boys :) -and quite..possibly..girls..hey, u neva no.. .. .. Is breaking the laws of gravity illegal? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Yeniceri Posted August 31, 2007 Author Posted August 31, 2007 Great job Yeniceri :thumbup: I'm really looking for this. I recommend you to use the same UVW mapping that Lockon A-10, so the maps for Lockon A-10 and your A-10 will be compatible. Regards!! Man.. I was thinking the same thing.. but i suck at uv unwrap.. anyway. we'll cross that bridge when we get there... [sIGPIC]http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa200/misikci/41-imza-1.jpg[/sIGPIC] "To infinity...and beyond!.." SIM-MOD Modeler TURK!
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