Is the Tomcat finally getting an update tomorrow?

[Chris-NO]

dogfaught... does that even exist ?

 

 

 

 

Yeah, i know it sounds weird, but they use it on The Fighter Pilot Podcast, so, if real pilots use that expression, I will to

 

 

EDIT: FOUGHT! Sorry about the typo.. Lol

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Edited May 29, 2019 by Chris-NO

[sSkullZnBoneZz]

I've dogfaught a lot in the F-14. And it's very much capable. It takes a lot of practice, but it's hella fun and lethal when you learn it.

 

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I have learned it and I can fight with it. But when actual F-14 pilots talk about being able to accelerate in the vertical fight and leave every other jet behind; you can’t do that in the module. Give it up, your argument is moot. It’s been acknowledged as an issue.

[Chris-NO]

I have learned it and I can fight with it. But when actual F-14 pilots talk about being able to accelerate in the vertical fight and leave every other jet behind; you can’t do that in the module. Give it up, your argument is moot. It’s been acknowledged as an issue.

You did not mention outclimbing in your first post, only performance and flight model, just dogfighting.

 

So I took that as you saying its not capable to dogfight at all.

 

.... No, my argument is not moot. Be more specific

 

But I have, several times, outclimbed F-5s and MiGs with success many times. But I will agree that its not how real pilots described it. I'm still very happy with the module tho

 

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[sSkullZnBoneZz]

You did not mention outclimbing in your first post, only performance and flight model, just dogfighting.

 

So I took that as you saying its not capable to dogfight at all.

 

.... No, my argument is not moot. Be more specific

 

But I have, several times, outclimbed F-5s and MiGs with success many times. But I will agree that its not how real pilots described it. I'm still very happy with the module tho

 

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Vertical fights are part of a dog fight. Good for you.

[Wavehopper]

I’m pretty sure it’s not supposed to struggle to reach 350kts above 25k ft.

 

It’d be a lousey interceptor if that was the real performance.

[Chris-NO]

Vertical fights are part of a dog fight. Good for you.

Yeah, but like I said, you never specified that it was what you meant. You talked about dogfighting in general.

 

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[Hummingbird]

Regarding the current performance of the ingame F-14:

 

Atm the ingame F-14 is losing thrust too rapidly with increases in altitude, so rapidly that at 15,000 ft it is already about ~22% behind in sustainable load factor @ 0.6 M compared to official performance figures (3.4 vs 4.3 G @ 0.6 Mach), which is substantial. The discrepancy gets worse as altitude increases.

 

A lack in performance of this magnitude is going to have a large impact on the aircrafts' ability to dogfight.

Edited May 29, 2019 by Hummingbird

[Top Jockey]

Regarding the current performance of the ingame F-14:

 

Atm the ingame F-14 is losing thrust too rapidly with increases in altitude, so rapidly that at 15,000 ft it is already about ~22% behind in sustainable load factor @ 0.6 M compared to official performance figures (3.4 vs 4.3 G @ 0.6 Mach), which is substantial. The discrepancy gets worse as altitude increases.

 

A lack in performance of this magnitude is going to have a large impact on the aircrafts' ability to dogfight.

 

For me, this sums it up well.

[Ramsay]

A lack in performance of this magnitude is going to have a large impact on the aircrafts' ability to dogfight.

I wonder if anyone is going to fly the F-14A when it arrives ?

 

• TF30-P-414A = 20,900 lbf maximum thrust

 

• F110-GE-400 = 23,400 lbf of thrust with afterburner at sea level, 30,200 lbf at Mach 0.9

 

I'm enjoying the current iteration of the F-14B but engine limitations are the least of the aircraft's problems while I'm in the pilot seat :lol:

[Oban]

That's why they test/bugfix this patch since last week.

 

 

There wasn't a patch released last week !!

[Hummingbird]

I wonder if anyone is going to fly the F-14A when it arrives ?

 

• TF30-P-414A = 20,900 lbf maximum thrust

 

• F110-GE-400 = 23,400 lbf of thrust with afterburner at sea level, 30,200 lbf at Mach 0.9

 

I'm enjoying the current iteration of the F-14B but engine limitations are the least of the aircraft's problems while I'm in the pilot seat :lol:

 

Funny that you qoute the GE engines thrust at speed yet leave out the TF30's considering that the TF30 actually produces more thrust at speed, hence the F14A was faster than the F14B at SL.

[dawgie79]

I wonder if anyone is going to fly the F-14A when it arrives ?

 

• TF30-P-414A = 20,900 lbf maximum thrust

 

• F110-GE-400 = 23,400 lbf of thrust with afterburner at sea level, 30,200 lbf at Mach 0.9

 

I'm enjoying the current iteration of the F-14B but engine limitations are the least of the aircraft's problems while I'm in the pilot seat :lol:

Secretly they will release a F-14D in stead of an A. :joystick:

 

 

(j/k)

[SgtPappy]

I wonder if anyone is going to fly the F-14A when it arrives ?

 

• TF30-P-414A = 20,900 lbf maximum thrust

 

• F110-GE-400 = 23,400 lbf of thrust with afterburner at sea level, 30,200 lbf at Mach 0.9

 

I'm enjoying the current iteration of the F-14B but engine limitations are the least of the aircraft's problems while I'm in the pilot seat :lol:

 

The 20,900 lbf quoted above for the TF30-P-414A is the uninstalled, static SL thrust. Installed, it produces ~17,080 lbf at static, SL conditions. At Ma = 0.9, the TF30 will generate about 28,000 lbf installed, as I have been told.

 

The 23,400 lbf quoted above is the installed thrust of the F110-GE-400 at static, SL conditions. Uninstalled, SL static thrust is somewhere closer to 28,200 lbf.

 

So a quick summary is:

Static, SL, installed thrust:

TF30-P-414A ~= 17,077 lbf (per NATOPS)

F110-GE-400 ~= 23,400 lbf

 

SL, Mach 0.9, installed thrust:

TF30-P-414A ~= 28,000 lbf

F110-GE-400 ~= 30,200 lbf

[draconus]

5th June is the new date.

 

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[Hummingbird]

The 20,900 lbf quoted above for the TF30-P-414A is the uninstalled, static SL thrust. Installed, it produces ~17,080 lbf at static, SL conditions. At Ma = 0.9, the TF30 will generate about 28,000 lbf installed, as I have been told.

 

The 23,400 lbf quoted above is the installed thrust of the F110-GE-400 at static, SL conditions. Uninstalled, SL static thrust is somewhere closer to 28,200 lbf.

 

So a quick summary is:

Static, SL, installed thrust:

TF30-P-414A ~= 17,077 lbf (per NATOPS)

F110-GE-400 ~= 23,400 lbf

 

SL, Mach 0.9, installed thrust:

TF30-P-414A ~= 28,000 lbf

F110-GE-400 ~= 30,200 lbf

 

Yes, and as you go faster the ram effect on the TF30's had it produce more thrust than the GE engines below 10,000 ft according to Okie :)

[Banzaiib]

FYI, the F-14 is not unique in making more thrust near mach 1 than at sub sonic speeds. The F-18, 16, and 15 all benefit from this same phenomenon.

[ENO]

Yes, and as you go faster the ram effect on the TF30's had it produce more thrust than the GE engines below 10,000 ft according to Okie :)

 

I’m another huge Okie fan. Watched his interviews dozens of times and he really opened my eyes to the A Tomcat...