Steinsch Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) Hello! After a lot of research, watching RL videos, reading the manual and tons of trials and errors, I believe I have the perfect Mig-21 landing nailed but I will let you be the judge of that. I'm actually totally new to the Mig-21, but landings are my things, so I absolutely needed to do that. Would love to hear about how to land better! :pilotfly: Edited June 2, 2019 by Steinsch Steinsch Flying Virtual F-15s since 1989 YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/c/CommanderSteinsch
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 Absolutely textbook. You should share the configuration of how you accomplished it, no doubt it'd help others really improve their landings. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
javelina1 Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 butter smooth! very nice job! MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control
_Firefly Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 Exceptional! Landing a Fishbed like that is always a very satisfying experience. :) DCS module wishlist: F-104S ASA-M Starfighter / F-111F Aardvark / F-4E Phantom II / J 35F2 Draken / J-7M AirGuard / Kfir C.2 / MiG-17F / MiG-21 Bison / Mirage F1 / Su-17M4 / Su-24M / Yak-9U
Steinsch Posted June 2, 2019 Author Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) Absolutely textbook. You should share the configuration of how you accomplished it, no doubt it'd help others really improve their landings. Thank you all! Yes, approach and landing parameters were as follows: - Angle of attack: 13° actual, 11° indicated - Rate of descent: 5 m/s - Flare: at 5-10 meters, retard throttle to 60-70% RPM and reduce rate of descent to 1 m/s or less - Upon touchdown, throttle to idle and aerodynamic braking by pitching up (5°) then by deploying the drag chute (once nose wheel on the ground) - Wheel braking: as required This was done with only 15% of fuel. Edited April 27, 2020 by Steinsch Clarity Steinsch Flying Virtual F-15s since 1989 YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/c/CommanderSteinsch
Rosebud47 Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 Really a wonderful landing. :) Landing the MiG most time feel to me, like someone drops a basketball ...need to practice more landing the MiG. AH-64D Apache / F-16C Viper / F1 Mirage / Mi-24 Hind / F-14b Tomcat
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 Really a wonderful landing. :) Landing the MiG most time feel to me, like someone drops a basketball ...need to practice more landing the MiG. It's pretty easy to get the Fishbed to land, but to get a beautiful greased landing on it requires some practice. It's REALLY easy to come in juuuust a little too slow or have too high of an alpha. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
Rosebud47 Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 True. I could get the MiG down in one piece and all wheels intact, no question, but Steinsch´ landing is really something to accomplish. Yeah, a little bit too slow and the fishbed falls like a stone from the sky, but exactly for this sensitvity and other special behaviours, I love to fly this bird. :) AH-64D Apache / F-16C Viper / F1 Mirage / Mi-24 Hind / F-14b Tomcat
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) True. I could get the MiG down in one piece and all wheels intact, no question, but Steinsch´ landing is really something to accomplish. Yeah, a little bit too slow and the fishbed falls like a stone from the sky, but exactly for this sensitvity and other special behaviours, I love to fly this bird. :) I think a bad habit for a lot of MiG drivers is to just dump full flaps for landing. The take-off flaps might be enough for such a light load like <15% fuel. What's also fun is perform a STOL technique that simpajik brought to the dev's attention and had fixed: msyVkuIHXnc That sensitivity is why she's still one of my favorites, but I'm biased, funnily enough. My only wish is that we could get one of the crazy upgrades like a LanceR or Bison. Edited June 2, 2019 by MiG21bisFishbedL Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
muamshai Posted June 3, 2019 Posted June 3, 2019 Now try this with full fuel, 3 drop tanks full, AA missile load and gun ammo :D This space is available for your advertisement
Steinsch Posted June 3, 2019 Author Posted June 3, 2019 Now try this with full fuel, 3 drop tanks full, AA missile load and gun ammo :D Yep. But let's be more ambitious! You'll be my wingman, and we'll land in formation on the Kuznetsov! In the meantime, for your enjoyment :) Steinsch Flying Virtual F-15s since 1989 YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/c/CommanderSteinsch
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted June 3, 2019 Posted June 3, 2019 Now try this with full fuel, 3 drop tanks full, AA missile load and gun ammo :D I'm going to try that and see if I can't get it at least acceptable. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
ResonantCard1 Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 Now try this with full fuel, 3 drop tanks full, AA missile load and gun ammo :D I think you'll break the plane. Also Steinsch nicely done man, I have to keep practicing my landings. So far I'm happy bringing the plane back in one piece, but yours was exceptional! Main: MiG-21bis, because pocket rockets are fun Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 I think you'll break the plane. Also Steinsch nicely done man, I have to keep practicing my landings. So far I'm happy bringing the plane back in one piece, but yours was exceptional! Nah, it's not hard. You just have to monitor your VSI like a hawk. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
Steinsch Posted June 5, 2019 Author Posted June 5, 2019 I think you'll break the plane. Also Steinsch nicely done man, I have to keep practicing my landings. So far I'm happy bringing the plane back in one piece, but yours was exceptional! Thanks! I watched the video and the trk file again, and I believe this can still be improved. I was aiming for a 1 m/s touchdown, but right before hitting the runway I lost too much speed and lift and fell to 2 m/s. I would also have had more margin if I had crossed the threshold slightly lower. In the meantime, I'm doing the heavy landing challenge. I'm doing ok, but can't seem to touch softly and align nicely on the runway centerline at the same time. Steinsch Flying Virtual F-15s since 1989 YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/c/CommanderSteinsch
Steinsch Posted June 5, 2019 Author Posted June 5, 2019 Nah, it's not hard. You just have to monitor your VSI like a hawk. I totally agree. Steinsch Flying Virtual F-15s since 1989 YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/c/CommanderSteinsch
Ironhand Posted June 9, 2019 Posted June 9, 2019 Finally had a few minutesyesterday to fly. Perhaps not done quite right, but it is heavy. Patrol, Long range loadout--Gross weight: 9754 Kg. Landing at Kutaisi West which is a fairly short runway @ 1.3 KM: YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
Steinsch Posted June 12, 2019 Author Posted June 12, 2019 @Ironhand: Great attitude control during the flare! I don't know if it is possible to get this nose wheel on the ground smoothly with that kind of weight. The feeling of shaking in this cockpit never gets old. Would love to have that in other planes. Steinsch Flying Virtual F-15s since 1989 YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/c/CommanderSteinsch
Airhunter Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 The feeling of shaking in this cockpit never gets old. Would love to have that in other planes. The F-14 has it as well.
Steinsch Posted June 12, 2019 Author Posted June 12, 2019 Yes, that's the only one besides the Fishbed, as far as I know. Steinsch Flying Virtual F-15s since 1989 YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/c/CommanderSteinsch
Ironhand Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) @Ironhand: Great attitude control during the flare! I don't know if it is possible to get this nose wheel on the ground smoothly with that kind of weight. The feeling of shaking in this cockpit never gets old. Would love to have that in other planes. Thank you. It’s not so much a flare as a round out. Just had to do it more abruptly than usual because of the excessive weight. In going through the various manuals, I realized they were talking about a round out rather than a flare at that point in the landing sequence. In my experience, it’s your landing speed that dictates how abruptly the nose wheel comes down. At around 250 km/hr, it comes down gently. At 280 it’ll be far more abrupt. So, to a large degree, I suppose it’s tied to landing weight. This particular landing was grossly overweight as you know. My poor flight crew would have spent hours inspecting the aircraft as a result. Edited June 12, 2019 by Ironhand YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
Steinsch Posted June 12, 2019 Author Posted June 12, 2019 Thank you. It’s not so much a flare as a round out. Just had to do it more abruptly than usual because of the excessive weight. In going through the various manuals, I realized they were talking about a round out rather than a flare at that point in the landing sequence. In my experience, it’s your landing speed that dictates how abruptly the nose wheel comes down. At around 250 km/hr, it comes down gently. At 280 it’ll be far more abrupt. So, to a large degree, I suppose it’s tied to landing weight. This particular landing was grossly overweight as you know. My poor flight crew would have spent hours inspecting the aircraft as a result. Yes. I feel the round out has to be abrupt and late because we can't hold a high AoA during approach to slow down without having an unacceptable sink rate. I tried again today after seeing your video. Steinsch Flying Virtual F-15s since 1989 YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/c/CommanderSteinsch
Ironhand Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 Yes. I feel the round out has to be abrupt and late because we can't hold a high AoA during approach to slow down without having an unacceptable sink rate. I tried again today after seeing your video. :) Nicely done. Guess I prefer having a better view of the threshold and runway on the way down, when making a visual approach, so I come in steeper. YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
sea2sky Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 I think a bad habit for a lot of MiG drivers is to just dump full flaps for landing. The take-off flaps might be enough for such a light load like <15% fuel. Probably true. I've heard from a RL Mig-21 pilot that they were required not to use full flaps for landing while at a training stage. i5-9600K@4.8GHz ★ 32Gb DDR4 ★ Asus TUF rtx3080 OC ★ Quest Pro ★ Warthog on Virpil base
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