LANTIRN Control for Pilot

[Banzaiib]

How the hell is magically controlling switches in the backseat, while sitting in the front seat, supposed to be more realistic than telling an AI guy, who is sitting in the back, to flick his switches???

 

The Tomcat is a 2 crew airplane and can only be operated with 2 persons. While I personally only fly the Tomcat in MP with another crew member I understand the demand for SP flying, hence a backseater AI like Jester, that tries to simulate a human backseater, is the way to go to make this possible. Not some magic cheat functions.

 

I don't think you get it. Having an AI do the RIO job is less realistic, in its current implementation, than having a human do it. Jester is just a pass through for commands from the pilot, lets be honest... and if I have to control jester to get him to do his job, then I'd rather just do his job. The net outcome of his performance is less realistic than having a pilot just manipulate the pod and radar. It just is. Jester neglects to perform the basic RIO functions, which is not realistic, and prevents the pilot from doing his job. If i could tell Jester to raise the radar up about 10 degrees, instead of 30 at a time, via a jester command would this really be any different than just slewing the radar directly from a button on my hotas? How is this any different?

 

To be clear, this is not a negative toward HB. I know they are working on Jester and I look forward to the improvements int the future.

[QuiGon]

Jester is still a guy in the back that has the armlength to manipulate the buttons and switches back there, which the pilot can't (unless he's some weird tentacle mutant). What you say is just that Jester is doing a bad job, which I agree, but making a bad job is still more realistic than magic (or tentacle mutants). In the end it should also be rewarding to get together and fly with a human RIO than flying with a AI.

[fmedges]

Both are good arguments. Why not just switch to the back seat and do it? I get it though, the whole point of a RIO is to split the workload and when you have to do both it's kind of pointless.

[key_stroked]

Why not just switch to the back seat and do it?

 

Because you can't do this in multiplayer.

[Banzaiib]

Because you can't do this in multiplayer.

 

[viper2097]

I will arise another problem:

Lets talk about how many RIOs are out there (in Multiplayer):

0 when the cat launched.

A little more after some time and people got familiar.

Getting less and less as people are returning to other modules again.

 

Flying as RIO is awesome, but it is hard work to get into it.

If you have a two man ship that NEEDS a RIO, much more people will be interested in it and maybe become one.

If you have a mod that make it possible to control all alone (once again, the tomcat is not designed for that. Get more familiar with her and you will completely understand why it is just stupid to use a Lantirn mod), they will become less and less.

 

So in my mind, I would welcome it more to *really need* RIOs in MP to just not run out of them.

Most people just want to fly (I'm also more a pilot then a RIO), but hey, its awesome and makes also a lot of fun on the backseat.

Did any of the *I want to keep that Lantirn mod* people ever enjoyed a ride in the turkey with a good pilot on a great mission? Did you ever tried to find a RIO or Pilot online or on Discord?

Try it, it will give you a completely new view to that topic.

 

As I'm also very familiar with the cat in the pilot- and also RIOseat, I can understand QuiGon fully as he does not want to have the Lantirn mod.

Its one of those things where you think it is a good one, but under the line, it would be better without that mod, because it would be better for the whole community.

[Hamilton]

Its one of those things where you think it is a good one, but under the line, it would be better without that mod, because it would be better for the whole community.

 

"whole community" ?!? REALLY ? ? 11 pages and just 3 or 4 that are in a private war against a MOD that almost 1000 users use and you say "better for the whole community" ?!?

 

As Mr IronMike said (post #141) "Those who like, can use it, those who don't can stay away from it"

 

Simple like that..

 

Btw, There are thousands of Single Players in DCS World.

[key_stroked]

If you have a mod that make it possible to control all alone (once again, the tomcat is not designed for that. Get more familiar with her and you will completely understand why it is just stupid to use a Lantirn mod)

 

So if I can't find a human RIO and I want to use the LANTIRN, I'm stupid for using the mod? Nice logic!

 

Did any of the *I want to keep that Lantirn mod* people ever enjoyed a ride in the turkey with a good pilot on a great mission? Did you ever tried to find a RIO or Pilot online or on Discord?

Try it, it will give you a completely new view to that topic.

 

Yes, I've done RIO. And yes, I've tried to find RIOs to play in multiplayer servers. Either experience hasn't changed my opinion that the mod is needed when solo pilots want to use the LANTIRN.

 

And what about single player/offline pilots? What are they supposed to do? Just not use the LANTIRN?

 

Its one of those things where you think it is a good one, but under the line, it would be better without that mod, because it would be better for the whole community.

 

And like Quigon, you're trying to speak for the whole community when you should stick with speaking for yourself.

 

The "whole community" includes single player users. I guess they're just out of luck though, right? Because according to you, they're better off without access to a part of the jet that Jester can't control.

 

We get it. You, and others in here don't like the mod. That's fine. Just don't speak for me or anyone else because you don't represent the community in here, you represent yourself and your own opinion.

Heatblur itself has already said if you don't like the mod just don't use it.

[lahsoldier]

Been monitoring this silly thread for a while and decided to speak for my one person part of the COMMUNITY.

 

I play both single and multi. I use it often. I'm an experienced RIO/ pilot now in both arenas and I personally don't have issues with anyone using it either way. If you use it your gonna have a huge workload with all the other things going on that any advantage there is will be quickly lost. ITS A GAME PEOPLE. That several thousand dollars worth of simulator crap you have bought to make yourself FEEL like a real pilot is just plastic and wires. Its not real. It isn't and never will be anything CLOSE to real life so get over the realism BS. Real life combat is where people get killed, things break, nobody does anything perfect, you lucky if you don't come out of a battle situation with parts missing or holes. Be happy you have such a wonderful GAME to play and people who enjoy it with you. If you cant handle others playing a GAME then go make a private password protected server and play your realism mode by yourselves. Let the rest of the COMMUNITY enjoy our game as we see fit. There, old man with years of experience in REAL life rant over. Have a nice day. :)

[johnv2pt0]

Is this mod still working with the current open beta? It's been a bit, but I've used it quite a bit in the past and when I jumped in last night I couldn't get the pod to unstow...everything else seemed to be working as intended. TYIA

[TacoGrease]

This guy gets it.

 

 

Been monitoring this silly thread for a while and decided to speak for my one person part of the COMMUNITY.

 

I play both single and multi. I use it often. I'm an experienced RIO/ pilot now in both arenas and I personally don't have issues with anyone using it either way. If you use it your gonna have a huge workload with all the other things going on that any advantage there is will be quickly lost. ITS A GAME PEOPLE. That several thousand dollars worth of simulator crap you have bought to make yourself FEEL like a real pilot is just plastic and wires. Its not real. It isn't and never will be anything CLOSE to real life so get over the realism BS. Real life combat is where people get killed, things break, nobody does anything perfect, you lucky if you don't come out of a battle situation with parts missing or holes. Be happy you have such a wonderful GAME to play and people who enjoy it with you. If you cant handle others playing a GAME then go make a private password protected server and play your realism mode by yourselves. Let the rest of the COMMUNITY enjoy our game as we see fit. There, old man with years of experience in REAL life rant over. Have a nice day. :)

[QuiGon]

And what about single player/offline pilots? What are they supposed to do? Just not use the LANTIRN?

Jester, that's what he's there for (when he learned how to use LANTIRN obviously).

[hreich]

How to use this option in multiplayer - i cant turn lantirn On from pilot postion when in multiplayer? Also i cant switch to RIO seat..

I think that from pilot seat i cant switch Lantirn out of standby mode..and RIO doesn't do it when i tell him to switch Lantirn

Edited July 12, 2019 by hreich

[viper2097]

So if I can't find a human RIO and I want to use the LANTIRN, I'm stupid for using the mod? Nice logic!

That you can't find a RIO is just not true. Maybe you don't want to find one, or there is no available if you want to fly NOW, but in generally, you can find a RIO if you want one.

 

And what about single player/offline pilots? What are they supposed to do? Just not use the LANTIRN?

They can easily switch between both seats.

 

And like Quigon, you're trying to speak for the whole community when you should stick with speaking for yourself.

 

The "whole community" includes single player users. I guess they're just out of luck though, right? Because according to you, they're better off without access to a part of the jet that Jester can't control.

 

We get it. You, and others in here don't like the mod. That's fine. Just don't speak for me or anyone else because you don't represent the community in here, you represent yourself and your own opinion.

Heatblur itself has already said if you don't like the mod just don't use it.

 

No, you missunderstood me. I don't speak for the community.

I just have the oppinion, that the mod is not good for the community, because without, people need to team up. This ads an awesome social factor to the turkey. Also, a RIO has a lot more to do then just slewing the Lantirn. In my personal oppinion, I would ban Jester completely from online games, but I know that this sounds a little extreme for you guys.

 

I love the F-14, but it is a two man ship.

This mod supports that there will be less and less RIOs around.

Thats why I don't like that mod.

 

However, the discussion is useless.

The mod is now able to be used until Jester has the ability. Then it will be removed. Period.

Honestly, there is not really something to discuss beside personal opinions...

[kega76]

Does anyone know how to stop Jester from switching from Lantirn view to radar view once I jump up front? Doing the Lantirn stuff solo you have to shuffle between the front and back seat a lot. And it’s pretty anointing that every time I enter the back seat I have to select TV/Lantirn view...

[Bruce_D]

Does anyone know how to stop Jester from switching from Lantirn view to radar view once I jump up front? Doing the Lantirn stuff solo you have to shuffle between the front and back seat a lot. And it’s pretty anointing that every time I enter the back seat I have to select TV/Lantirn view...

 

Before jump to the backseat open the jester menu go to utilities and select inactivity to jester. After finishing bombimb remember to activate jester again, just open jester menu on the front seat and you see the option.

[WaffenCat]

Hey.

How to make Jester choose MAN mode for GBU-12? Bombs after the reset fly past the target...

[RPY Variable]

I'm 100% in favour of controlling the Lantirn from the front. Jestes has limited abilities to manage the radar, I don't imagine him doing a great job with the pod. I don't see the problem of being able to control al the positions of the aircraft like in any other sim. What is the problem of me doing some of the RIO's work, I don't get it.

[draconus]

I'm 100% in favour of controlling the Lantirn from the front. Jestes has limited abilities to manage the radar, I don't imagine him doing a great job with the pod. I don't see the problem of being able to control al the positions of the aircraft like in any other sim. What is the problem of me doing some of the RIO's work, I don't get it.

1. It's not some "other sim" and will not be like one.

2. You can do the RIO work - either full time (MP) or jump between seats (SP), just not from the front when you're a pilot.

Have you even read the whole thread?

[QuiGon]

I'm 100% in favour of controlling the Lantirn from the front. Jestes has limited abilities to manage the radar, I don't imagine him doing a great job with the pod. I don't see the problem of being able to control al the positions of the aircraft like in any other sim. What is the problem of me doing some of the RIO's work, I don't get it.

In addition to what draconus said: Jester is still being improved, so he will get better with the radar and will of course learn how to use the LANTIRN.

[RPY Variable]

1. It's not some "other sim" and will not be like one.

2. You can do the RIO work - either full time (MP) or jump between seats (SP), just not from the front when you're a pilot.

Have you even read the whole thread?

 

1. Yes, the same SIM that still has flaming cliffs simplified aircraft.

2. You are telling me that it is okay to jump between seats in middle air on SP but it is unrealistic to flip a switch from the front on MP. Even if we had the RIO's cockpit on a second monitor, like with HELIOS. That doesn't make sense at all.

 

There is an ED limitation regarding MP, this would solve some part of that problem.

Edited November 18, 2019 by mikel.132

[RPY Variable]

In addition to what draconus said: Jester is still being improved, so he will get better with the radar and will of course learn how to use the LANTIRN.

 

Even if Jester was perfect.

[draconus]

1. Yes, the same SIM that still has flaming cliffs simplified aircraft.

2. You are telling me that it is okay to jump between seats in middle air on SP but it is unrealistic to flip a switch from the front on MP. Even if we had the RIO's cockpit on a second monitor, like with HELIOS. That doesn't make sense at all.

 

There is an ED limitation regarding MP, this would solve some part of that problem.

1. Irrelevant - those were single seat. Don't try to pull arguments - it was discussed to death in this thread. Yes, DCS has some simplifications and even not realistic features but it's not a reason to add more. On the contrary - improvements go more to the realistic side.

 

2. You can switch between simulating the pilot or RIO but not at the same time. I don't know why it is different for SP/MP - core limitations probably.

[QuiGon]

I don't know why it is different for SP/MP - core limitations probably.

Indeed, it's because of engine limitations.

[RPY Variable]

1. Irrelevant - those were single seat. Don't try to pull arguments - it was discussed to death in this thread. Yes, DCS has some simplifications and even not realistic features but it's not a reason to add more. On the contrary - improvements go more to the realistic side.

 

2. You can switch between simulating the pilot or RIO but not at the same time. I don't know why it is different for SP/MP - core limitations probably.

 

1- I'm not trying to pull any argument. You pulled one that you couldn't sustain.

 

2- Yes, DCS core limitation. It is strange that you are so encouraged on this matter but you don't even know why jumping to the RIO's seat is not implemented on multiplayer. That limitation is one of the main reasons of this request.