QuiGon Posted August 23, 2020 Posted August 23, 2020 About that automatic wing sweep... At least in the IDS version the connection from the wing sweep lever in the cockpit to the hydraulic control unit (HLWSCU) is purely mechanical. Just pushrods. Fitting some kind of automation device (with the required connections to the air data system) would be quite a challenge. Well, apparently they managed to do that for the Saudis ;) Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
QuiGon Posted August 23, 2020 Posted August 23, 2020 In regards of the british variants I go with GR.4. Based on Infos from the Web the GR.1 variant had no FLIR, LASER, GPSWR and no night time operation capabilities. The Tornado was night and all-weather capable from the very beginning. Not sure what makes you think the GR.1 was not night/all-weather capable? The GR.1 recieved the TIALD targeting pod for Dessert Storm, which includes FLIR and LASER. This was a rushed stopgap solution though, untill it was properly implemented for the GR.4. The crews had no time to train with the TIALD prior to Dessert Storm, so they had to learn it there. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
joey45 Posted August 23, 2020 Posted August 23, 2020 Plus the Buccs had to buddy lase for them at the beginning... The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
MKev Posted August 23, 2020 Posted August 23, 2020 The Tornado was night and all-weather capable from the very beginning. Not sure what makes you think the GR.1 was not night/all-weather capable? The GR.1 recieved the TIALD targeting pod for Dessert Storm, which includes FLIR and LASER. This was a rushed stopgap solution though, untill it was properly implemented for the GR.4. The crews had no time to train with the TIALD prior to Dessert Storm, so they had to learn it there. Thats why I mentioned that I need expert input on this matter. Is there some kind of features list? In german Wiki they say GR.4 had development of the night combat capability. Where are the differences in this case with GR.1/A and GR.4/A ? Questions over questions. :joystick: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Lt. Mark "MKev" P. - Callsign: Rhino Military Flight History: Falcon 4.0, Falcon BMS, IL-2 & DCS Streaming with passion: MilSim, Survival and more... MKev_Gaming - "Gaming is my religion" Location: West-Central Germany
QuiGon Posted August 23, 2020 Posted August 23, 2020 Thats why I mentioned that I need expert input on this matter. Is there some kind of features list? In german Wiki they say GR.4 had development of the night combat capability. Where are the differences in this case with GR.1/A and GR.4/A ? Questions over questions. :joystick: I answered here, as there is no need to discuss this simultaneously in two different threads ;) Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
MKev Posted August 23, 2020 Posted August 23, 2020 I answered here, as there is no need to discuss this simultaneously in two different threads ;) Sure, I was laughing already because of the fact that we wrote about the same matter in two different threads :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Lt. Mark "MKev" P. - Callsign: Rhino Military Flight History: Falcon 4.0, Falcon BMS, IL-2 & DCS Streaming with passion: MilSim, Survival and more... MKev_Gaming - "Gaming is my religion" Location: West-Central Germany
WolfHound009 Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 I want a West german Luftwaffe IDS Tornado. It'll be perfect for cold war gone hot scenarios.
Volator Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) With the latest info from ED stating their request to buy documents/licence from the manufacturer was denied, I think that's the end of our Tornado dreams. I don't think they would reject ED but accept HB... Edited December 18, 2020 by Pilot Ike 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven
Northstar98 Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 Truegrit is probably best positioned (they're working with NETMA which is the management agency for the Tornado and the Typhoon) to deliver one, though we'll be waiting a long while yet to see how the Typhoon turns out. 2 Modules I own: F-14A/B, F-4E, Mi-24P, AJS 37, AV-8B N/A, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070S FE, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.
QuiGon Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) On 12/18/2020 at 10:12 PM, Pilot Ike said: With the latest info from ED stating their request to buy documents/licence from the manufacturer was denied, I think that's the end of our Tornado dreams. I don't think they would reject ED but accept HB... Well, HB isn't russian if that was the issue for ED Edited December 21, 2020 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
TLTeo Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 Truegrit may also have a good chance, probably better. If they can secure the license for the Typhoon, I'm sure they can get the one for the Tornado as well. 1
mkellytx Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 Disappointing to see that statement from the COO, but it does look like FM and performance appendix for the Italian Tornado got pulled down and are no longer public...
Northstar98 Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 8 hours ago, TLTeo said: Truegrit may also have a good chance, probably better. If they can secure the license for the Typhoon, I'm sure they can get the one for the Tornado as well. I would say they're best poised to deliver one, IIRC they're working with the management agency for the both of them (NETMA). Modules I own: F-14A/B, F-4E, Mi-24P, AJS 37, AV-8B N/A, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070S FE, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.
TLTeo Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Northstar98 said: I would say they're best poised to deliver one, IIRC they're working with the management agency for the both of them (NETMA). Yep, they are
Tonker Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/20/2020 at 4:33 PM, Wags said: Dear all, It seems that something may have been lost in translation. While we (Eagle Dynamics) have no plans for the Tornado, it is not off the table for a talented and qualified 3rd party. As a huge fan of Digital Integration's Tornado, I'd personally love to see this aircraft in DCS someday. Kind regards, Wags Of course Wags isn't saying that a Tornado is on the way but nor is he saying that it's impossible, which seems to be the assumption here. Who would have thought that a Eurofighter would ever be cleared for a "study-level" sim? Who knows what concessions have had to be made to fidelity, but the point for Eurofighter fans is that there's one on the way. Is it so outlandish to hope that Tornado fans (there's a lot of us, and we're noisy ) may one day get the same? Congrats to Heatblur for grabbing the top two spots on the recent Grim Reapers top DCS modules list/video. The reason? The Viggen and Tomcat are the modules that keep their pilots most entertained - technically excellent, but then filled with character and charm which leads to sim pilots feeling the same way as real pilots do about their steeds. They become emotionally invested. Unmatched by any other dev, and Heatblur have done it twice. That's why we're all here. Who else could do the Tornado justice? ...and they've nailed swing-wing. And ground radar... ...and multi-crew... ...and reverse thrust... ...and and and... Happy Christmas y'all! 4 Nah, I've only just met 'er...:pilotfly:
_Digby_ Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 On 12/23/2020 at 12:34 PM, Tonker said: Of course Wags isn't saying that a Tornado is on the way but nor is he saying that it's impossible, which seems to be the assumption here. Who would have thought that a Eurofighter would ever be cleared for a "study-level" sim? Who knows what concessions have had to be made to fidelity, but the point for Eurofighter fans is that there's one on the way. Is it so outlandish to hope that Tornado fans (there's a lot of us, and we're noisy ) may one day get the same? Congrats to Heatblur for grabbing the top two spots on the recent Grim Reapers top DCS modules list/video. The reason? The Viggen and Tomcat are the modules that keep their pilots most entertained - technically excellent, but then filled with character and charm which leads to sim pilots feeling the same way as real pilots do about their steeds. They become emotionally invested. Unmatched by any other dev, and Heatblur have done it twice. That's why we're all here. Who else could do the Tornado justice? ...and they've nailed swing-wing. And ground radar... ...and multi-crew... ...and reverse thrust... ...and and and... Happy Christmas y'all! Hear, hear! 2 Regards, Digby
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