Flight Model: Is this possible?

[SUBS17]

Please, this is an aircraft and it performs maneuvers, there are no 'moves' or 'cool moves'!

 

Btw, you still didn't explain how you got to the no negative G conclusion.

 

If I say it is a move or cool move then it is.:pilotfly:

 

BTW pitch down at that rate but no loss of height so no negative g.:music_whistling:

[SUBS17]

Just tried to fly the initial part of the Finnish sequence and didn't notice a significant difference, let alone uber-sluggishness.

 

Taking off with approx 75% internal fuel (to match the acceleration rate on take off), using the same full aft stick after 7sec, results in the same rotation speed/time.

 

Selecting the gear up, flaps auto and accelerate for the same 13sec at ~10deg pitch attitude results in ~300kts at the start of the pull up.

 

Climb at around 70° pitch attitude for 8sec and starting the push over at ~290kts.

 

Time to level flight 4-5sec (depending on the speed at the start of the push over).

 

How about the pirouette, did you manage to execute any of the other moves?

[bbrz]

pitch down at that rate but no loss of height so no negative g.

Seriously? This hair-raising comment makes any further reply to your posts (at least in this thread) useless.

Edited August 18, 2019 by bbrz

[Jansgi]

 

BTW pitch down at that rate but no loss of height so no negative g.:music_whistling:

 

If there is no negative Gs I'd like you to explain how the oxygen tube pushes upwards and the wings bend down if there is no negative G? Otherwise no need to troll anymore... :music_whistling:

 

[maxTRX]

If there is no negative Gs I'd like you to explain how the oxygen tube pushes upwards and the wings bend down if there is no negative G? Otherwise no need to troll anymore... :music_whistling:

 

Looks like Finnish Hornets use Superhornet's UFC and I wouldn't doubt their FCS has some features similar to SH. Full stick forward at very high alpha will throw the jet's nose down at an impressive rate. It almost looks like you pivot around lateral axis. No breakfast before that maneuver hehe

[bbrz]

Full stick forward at very high alpha will throw the jet's nose down at an impressive rate.

If you look at the LE flap position you will notice that AoA is actually very low and the estimated speed is at least 200-250kts, most likely even higher.

[Jansgi]

Looks like Finnish Hornets use Superhornet's UFC and I wouldn't doubt their FCS has some features similar to SH. Full stick forward at very high alpha will throw the jet's nose down at an impressive rate. It almost looks like you pivot around lateral axis. No breakfast before that maneuver hehe

 

Yes the UFC is most likely part of the recent Mid-Life Upgrade.

 

Finland is upgrading its fleet of F-18s with new avionics, including helmet mounted sights (HMS), new cockpit displays, sensors and standard NATO data link. Several of the remaining Hornets are going to be fitted to carry air-to-ground ordnance such as the AGM-158 JASSM, in effect returning to the original F/A-18 multi-role configuration. The upgrade includes also the procurement and integration of new AIM-9X Sidewinder and AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles. This Mid-Life Upgrade (MLU) is estimated to cost between €1–1.6 billion and work is scheduled to be finished by 2016.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Seriously? This hair-raising comment makes any further reply to your posts (at least in this thread) useless.

 

Ignore SUBS17, they never contribute anything other than nonsense.

[maxTRX]

If you look at the LE flap position you will notice that AoA is actually very low and the estimated speed is at least 200-250kts, most likely even higher.

 

 

I wasn't commenting on the "level off" push on the stick you see in the vid. but referring to some features (hardware & software) that might be similar to SH. SH can snap out of extreme high alpha very quickly and I suspect this Finnish jet "might" have similar program routines...

[bbrz]

Ah, ok. Just watched an E airshow

and it was definitely much less impressive than a C airshow routine.

Do you have a link for a better performance/video for the E?

 

@Flaming Squirrel, thanx for the HU :)

[SUBS17]

If there is no negative Gs I'd like you to explain how the oxygen tube pushes upwards and the wings bend down if there is no negative G? Otherwise no need to troll anymore... :music_whistling:

 

 

He pulled a ladder and then lowered the nose from what I saw in the video, you do the ladder you'll notice that when you lower the nose it is not negative G its about 0.2+.

[AKarhu]

Pretty sure Swiss/Finnish Hornets also have solid wings now, which enables higher Gs, plus custom FCS Adjustments.

They do fold their wings. :)

 

 

Not sure what is their policy on limiter override on the display routine.

[maxTRX]

Ah, ok. Just watched an E airshow

and it was definitely much less impressive than a C airshow routine.

Do you have a link for a better performance/video for the E?

 

@Flaming Squirrel, thanx for the HU :)

 

 

There are some restrictions in US for some SH maneuvers performed in demos, it might apply to outside of US (from what I heard... years ago:smilewink:)

BTW, I'm sure you've seen the SH demo at RIAT (could've been other location in UK) with a full load of Amraams… that was quite impressive!

[BIGNEWY]

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[Jansgi]

He pulled a ladder and then lowered the nose from what I saw in the video, you do the ladder you'll notice that when you lower the nose it is not negative G its about 0.2+.

 

Positive Gs wont produce opposite wing flex, slight opposite wing rock, LEX and flaps retracting at slow speed and the hose pushing upwards. I rest my case.

[Ironhand]

Noticed this thread when it first started but didn't have an opportunity to try it until today. Although I bought the Hornet a year ago this past June, I have yet to spend more than about 10 minutes in her pit. So this is kind of rough. Hopefully that will change someday.

 

Anyway, the OP's video looked like it'd be fun to try. Thankfully the default keypress "G" retracts the landing gear. To my eye, this looks fairly close. Ignore the takeoff. Like I said, I'm not familiar with this bird: