Baz000 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) Ironhand so you are landing at much faster than 300 hm/hr? typically if your starting your perch at 400 km/hr Did you see this hard landing I did? The nose wheel just barely stayed in the air but it was enough for me to still make a controlled landing to earth. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4412612&postcount=120 as opposed to this where i'm constantly flung back up into the air by the nose wheel even if I land on the main gear simultaneously: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4412598&postcount=119 Edited July 6, 2020 by Baz000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 so you are landing at much faster than 300 hm/hr? typically if your starting your perch at 400 km/hr God no. My typical landing speed falls between 260 if light and 280 if heavy. Most of my touchdowns occur with 260 or 270 showing on the HUD (265-275 displayed on the steam gauge). Every once in a great awhile I’ll see 250 (HUD) if extremely light. Turning descents give you more variables to play with when it comes to controlling your airspeed and, especially, how quickly you lose it. OTOH, turning descents will punish you badly if you fall behind this aircraft. If she feels like she wants to fall out out of the sky, you’ve already fallen well behind in your throttle and stick work. YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz000 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 so are you kicking the rudder to loose speed>? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toriy Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I am sorry posting a video not about a MiG-29 here, however I hope to be forgiven as this is about quick landings and not usual drag chute usage. https://youtu.be/RGyL_NJhCWU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 ... Did you see this hard landing I did? The nose wheel just barely stayed in the air but it was enough for me to still make a controlled landing to earth. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4412612&postcount=120 as opposed to this where i'm constantly flung back up into the air by the nose wheel even if I land on the main gear simultaneously: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4412598&postcount=119 I see you edited your post to add more. :) Yes I took a quick run through the postings prior to posting myself and saw them but, viewing on my phone, I can’t make out any of the numbers on the data strip. My personal opinion is that the nosewheel is a bit too bouncy but that’s just opinion. YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz000 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I see you edited your post to add more. :) Yes I took a quick run through the postings prior to posting myself and saw them but, viewing on my phone, I can’t make out any of the numbers on the data strip. My personal opinion is that the nosewheel is a bit too bouncy but that’s just opinion. I agree with your opinion, especially after landing with the main gear only and delaying nose wheel touchdown until the very last moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 so are you kicking the rudder to loose speed>? No. I guess it’s really no different than a straight in landing. Work the stick, throttle, and gravity. Speed loss just happens quicker in the turn which is why you can’t be lazy or tentative about what you’re doing. YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz000 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I am sorry posting a video not about a MiG-29 here, however I hope to be forgiven as this is about quick landings and not usual drag chute usage. https://youtu.be/RGyL_NJhCWU That was a good video, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) I am sorry posting a video not about a MiG-29 here, however I hope to be forgiven as this is about quick landings and not usual drag chute usage. https://youtu.be/RGyL_NJhCWU That was cool...and smooth. Kind of like what happens with the Su-25T, though I’m not sure I’ve attempted it from quite that high. EDIT: Or maybe I have. I can’t tell on this small screen. I posted this in some forum here quite awhile ago: Edited July 6, 2020 by Ironhand YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toriy Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz000 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Absolutely normal. I posted L-410 cadet's landing with the same typical behavior. MiG-29 nose wheel is known as a bit bumpy by the way. Take a look at the nose wheel: it is over the ground. The point is that there is a small water drain pit there (Kubinka) and the plane at taxiing behaves this way. I know that there is a video but I can not find it now. https://russianplanes.net/images/to249000/248128.jpg That plane looks like it is landing, not taxiing... The nose wheel has not touched the ground and you can see the main gear wheels the rubber is compressed alot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomTOTEN Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 That plane looks like it is landing, not taxiing... The nose wheel has not touched the ground and you can see the main gear wheels the rubber is compressed alot It's flaps are up, it's stabiliators are neutral, it's intake doors are closed, the pavement it's on isn't marked as a runway, there appears to be a wheel chock right behind it, and even with the telephoto effect those airframe jacks (?) look less than 100ft away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz000 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 and the nose wheel is hovering in mid air and engine nozzles are closed not open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted July 7, 2020 ED Team Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) That plane looks like it is landing, not taxiing... The nose wheel has not touched the ground and you can see the main gear wheels the rubber is compressed alot Nope. It is well known place of the airfield. You can use google to locate the point the camera and the plane are. And, by the way, do you really think the plane landed through these trees and just next to that orange steel garbage? :D Edited July 7, 2020 by Yo-Yo Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz000 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 hard to tell honestly from a single photo, I attached track... What did you want to show me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 What are you still arguing for Baz? ED have acknowledged it's out of wack when you land out of parameters and are going to look at it. Beating a dead horse at this point. Wait until we get a fix. Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted July 7, 2020 ED Team Share Posted July 7, 2020 hard to tell honestly from a single photo, I attached track... What did you want to show me? What a Newton's binom... © Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 @Baz000, The trk in case you're interested in seeing it.MiG-29 Chute Landing2.trk YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted July 7, 2020 ED Team Share Posted July 7, 2020 hard to tell honestly from a single photo, I attached track... What did you want to show me? Can not show. Forgot that I have no Normandy to play it. Try Caucasus please. Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz000 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 okay i’ll have to make a mission for it tho, maybe better if you make a quick mission I can download and fly in? That way the plane is set to the weight you want and the environmental factors are set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted July 7, 2020 ED Team Share Posted July 7, 2020 You have few seconds to level the aircraft, press F and G and to retard throttle. Then you can start the approach. Set 300-310 kph, and ~5 m/s VSI. 50 m over the second radio beacon.MiG-29 lnd .miz Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted July 8, 2020 ED Team Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) And another portion of simple hints about the landing. First of all, there are two reference points - two radio beacons (a small houses with antennas). There must be 200 m over the first and 50 m over the second one. Better if the final approach speed is near constant 300 kph and 280-290 before the flaring. Look at the triangle under the HUD IAS indication - if it is centered the speed is almost constant and no instant throttle correction is needed. If it is left or right you need to adjust thrust and check sink rate if necessary. How to check the point of flaring start? It is very simple (or not) - it is the point that does not change its position relative to the windshield, as you fly with the constant sink rate and speed (stabilised approach). If this point is a bit in front of threshold - it's perfect. A bit farther - very good, farther - good, as the airstrip is long enough. Do not stare at VSI, just check it time to time. On speed, and flaring point relative windshield. Check the radio altitude - 6-7 m? V = 280-290? VSI =~5? Just begin to CONSTANTLY pull the stick, looking to the ground left-forward. You need to lay the horisont to the center of the cable and hold this position as you see at the video. The plane will try not to let you do it, so pull the stick holding the horisont at the cable. If you pull too much - just freeze the stick for a moment. Boom. FREEZE THE STICK! And retard throttle to idle. Nothing bad will happen, if you are not fast as a mongoose and keep pulling the stick a bit. Freeze it anyway and do nothing - even if the plane jumps a little, nothing dangerous will happen. It's quite often in RL. then take a look at IAS. 250-260? You are a master, congratulations! Edited July 8, 2020 by Yo-Yo Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 What about the investigation on nose strut force and strenght (damage limits)? Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz000 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 shhh quiet he is teaching me to be MiG Master! Don’t ruin it for me, i’m trying to learn too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted July 8, 2020 ED Team Share Posted July 8, 2020 What about the investigation on nose strut force and strenght (damage limits)? We will take a look. Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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