viper2097 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) With the PTT buttons for the radios, we are controlling two things: - Interaction with the AI (clickable menues, like for A2A refueling) - Speaking with each other (SRS, or VoIP in the future) The actual problem: Each time I use the Radio PTT to talk over SRS, the radio menu pops up and stays there. Next time I use the Radio PTT, the menu disappears. To improve the situation, I would recommend the following behavor: PTT button pressed for <0,5 seconds -> Show the com menu PTT button pressed for >0,5 seconds -> Do not show the com menu So we could easily use the PTT button for both, the DCS com menu and also to talk over SRS / VoIP. Maybe this would also be a simple and fast solution to include. Edited November 4, 2019 by viper2097 Steam user - Youtube I am for quality over quantity in DCS modules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McTschegsn Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 I second that. Maybe the time variable can be configurable. Will be a problem for future ingame VoIP too I think. In thrust we trust :thumbup: Falls jemand Montags Abends Lust hat mit uns zusammen zu fliegen und Spass zu haben (Anfänger sind auch herzlich willkommen) kann gerne auf unserer Website: https://www.jg-frankonia.de vorbeischauen oder sich direkt bei uns im Discord melden: https://discord.gg/vHEJf3c Eigene Server und viel Spass sind vorhanden :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailhook Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Are you running a warthog? On the throttle thumb hat/comm switch I use forward/back to talk on SRS COMM1/2, and up/down to toggle opening and closing DCS COMM1/2 menu. Intel i9-13900K : ASUS TUF RTX 4080 : 32GB G.Skill RipjawsV 4000 : TM HOTAS Warthog : HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viper2097 Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 Yes, I do, but I need all four directions. Up: Com1 Down: Com2 Fwd: Com 3 (A-10c) Aft: ICS (F-14) Steam user - Youtube I am for quality over quantity in DCS modules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailhook Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Fwd: Com 3 (A-10c) Aft: ICS (F-14) Make those push. Problem solved. Intel i9-13900K : ASUS TUF RTX 4080 : 32GB G.Skill RipjawsV 4000 : TM HOTAS Warthog : HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viper2097 Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 Unfortunately it would not solve it... (Beside that I use push for VR-Zoom) Steam user - Youtube I am for quality over quantity in DCS modules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailhook Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Unfortunately it would not solve it... (Beside that I use push for VR-Zoom) My VR zoom is forward on red china hat, back is VR recenter. Intel i9-13900K : ASUS TUF RTX 4080 : 32GB G.Skill RipjawsV 4000 : TM HOTAS Warthog : HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arctander Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Agreed. I have on my wh throttle comm four way, Back - teamspeak Forwards - comm 1 Down - comm 2 Up - comms menu I use ‘up’ solely to close that menu after using my radios.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webweaver40 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I have Forward: comm 1 Aft: comm 2 Down: comm menu Up: discord Push: voice attack All are hold, except for down of course Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bies Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 The actual problem: Each time I use the Radio PTT to talk over SRS, the radio menu pops up and stays there. Next time I use the Radio PTT, the menu disappears. To improve the situation, I would recommend the following behavor: PTT button pressed for <0,5 seconds -> Show the com menu PTT button pressed for >0,5 seconds -> Do not show the com menu Clever. +1 But to be honest when they start to integrate in game voip i'm sure they will find the need to use similar solution.:thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viper2097 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Thx. I have no idea if the Devs read this here or not, however, I'm pretty sure they'll find a solution that works well. Steam user - Youtube I am for quality over quantity in DCS modules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistking Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Thx. I have no idea if the Devs read this here or not, however, I'm pretty sure they'll find a solution that works well. I hope they read and consider this. Even with "stage 1" of ED voip, they could already use the modules PTT key for voip PTT. In fact it was a missed chance if they would not do it. Personally i'm only interested in ingame Voip if it works with the modules PTT button. I'll patiently wait for proper radio/channel simulation, but cockpit integration is a must even for "stage 1" imho. My personal wishlist after half a decade with DCS: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/184968-my-personal-wishlist-after-half-a-decade-with-dcs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfranky Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 +1! Sounds like a good idea. A warrior's mission is to foster the success of others. i9-12900K | MSI RTX 3080Ti Suprim X | 128 GB Ram 3200 MHz DDR-4 | MSI MPG Edge Z690 | Samung EVO 980 Pro SSD | Virpil Stick, Throttle and Collective | MFG Crosswind | HP Reverb G2 RAT - On the Range - Rescue Helo - Recovery Tanker - Warehouse - Airboss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 With the PTT buttons for the radios, we are controlling two things: - Interaction with the AI (clickable menues, like for A2A refueling) - Speaking with each other (SRS, or VoIP in the future) The actual problem: Each time I use the Radio PTT to talk over SRS, the radio menu pops up and stays there. Next time I use the Radio PTT, the menu disappears. To improve the situation, I would recommend the following behavor: PTT button pressed for <0,5 seconds -> Show the com menu PTT button pressed for >0,5 seconds -> Do not show the com menu So we could easily use the PTT button for both, the DCS com menu and also to talk over SRS / VoIP. Maybe this would also be a simple and fast solution to include. I already do this: TEMPO (DX1, DX2, 500) Bind DX1 to DCS and DX2 to SRS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harzach Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Are you not using a modifier on your Warthog? Clearly something needs to be done considering the future/planned integrated radio, though. The long-press for PTT idea is interesting. There might, however, be a problem with people speaking before the long-press is committed, thereby cutting off the top of their message. It's already a problem with normal PTT, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistking Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 i don't know how feasible it would be, but imagine DCS running voice recognition in background, so to contact tower you just press and hold your PTT and give you call by voice. to help you (and the voice reckognition algorithm) while pressing the PTT the old menu could still come up, but not clickable and only to help you with the "proper" syntax for your call (to not confuse the AI listener). i think technically this would work well, since the voice calls could follow a strict syntax. also there are capable open-source voice-reckognition solutions, that could maybe be implemented? My personal wishlist after half a decade with DCS: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/184968-my-personal-wishlist-after-half-a-decade-with-dcs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfranky Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 The long-press for PTT idea is interesting. There might, however, be a problem with people speaking before the long-press is committed, thereby cutting off the top of their message. It's already a problem with normal PTT, to be honest. That's not what is written in the request. Just that only short bursts open the F10 radio menu. They can also open the voice channel. A warrior's mission is to foster the success of others. i9-12900K | MSI RTX 3080Ti Suprim X | 128 GB Ram 3200 MHz DDR-4 | MSI MPG Edge Z690 | Samung EVO 980 Pro SSD | Virpil Stick, Throttle and Collective | MFG Crosswind | HP Reverb G2 RAT - On the Range - Rescue Helo - Recovery Tanker - Warehouse - Airboss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harzach Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 That's not what is written in the request. Just that only short bursts open the F10 radio menu. They can also open the voice channel. Ah, copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viper2097 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 PTT - Voice & Com menu in the future I would like to link to this existing thread: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=254447 I really think that this would be a good and easy idea to handle voice & com in the future. Steam user - Youtube I am for quality over quantity in DCS modules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted November 28, 2019 ED Team Share Posted November 28, 2019 threads moved and merged thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lxsapper Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 With the PTT buttons for the radios, we are controlling two things: - Interaction with the AI (clickable menues, like for A2A refueling) - Speaking with each other (SRS, or VoIP in the future) The actual problem: Each time I use the Radio PTT to talk over SRS, the radio menu pops up and stays there. Next time I use the Radio PTT, the menu disappears. To improve the situation, I would recommend the following behavor: PTT button pressed for <0,5 seconds -> Show the com menu PTT button pressed for >0,5 seconds -> Do not show the com menu So we could easily use the PTT button for both, the DCS com menu and also to talk over SRS / VoIP. Maybe this would also be a simple and fast solution to include. I am using this exact behaviour on my Warthog programmed through TARGET. Using short press for DCS comm switches and long presses for SRS/Vaicom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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