159th_Viper Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Slightly OT - footage of Russian Missile systems, inter alia SAM's. Mighty impressive is the Tor and S-300 :surprise: Imagine being an Apache driver and inadvertently getting tagged by those nasties...........:helpsmilie: Missile Systems Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
fragal Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Nice Find! :thumbup: Fave still has to be the venerable tunguska vid though http://youtube.com/watch?v=0ICcHxoNjVY
leafer Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Man, I hate military music videos. Good vids, though. ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P
Force_Feedback Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Yeah, no sane S-300 owner would ever use it against the Apache, as it would be uneconomical, the Tor however, well, feel the thunder and the blow of his hammer I'd say, and RIP for the apache crew. The thing is, vehicles like the Tunguska and Thor are very hard to erradicate, more difficult than an S-300 battery. In Black Shark making a mission with Strela-10s, Tunguska's and Thors would be realistic, too bad the bort nr. 24 Ka-50 has no RWR. Ouch. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Avimimus Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 It is said that the Soviet sam capability is what lead to the F-117
159th_Viper Posted November 7, 2007 Author Posted November 7, 2007 It is said that the Soviet sam capability is what lead to the F-117 And now with the S-400 on the scene Stealth Aircraft may not be as Invisible as they would like to be........ Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Force_Feedback Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 It is said that the Soviet sam capability is what lead to the F-117 And yet the Osa AKM was able to shoot down an F-117 in 1991, so that gives us a nice indication why the developments concentrate on drones rather than low radar cross sections now. And with all the datalinking the SAMs were capable of, and with better computing that's extended much further, think ESM systems used to listen to stealth planes, long wavelangth radars for initial detection, and track via missile guidance. So stealth might word against an underequipped oponnent, however, when trying to attack some country that has invested in SAMs, that alone might not do it. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
G3 Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 great clips guys, not sure the names but those massive tubes vertical off the back of the truck, wicked, watching the missiles jump out and then fire up, wouldn't like to be on the end of any of the launches, and the tunguskas vid, bloody hell see the rounds pumping thru and the shells spitting out, awesome.
159th_Viper Posted November 7, 2007 Author Posted November 7, 2007 .....not sure the names but those massive tubes vertical off the back of the truck, wicked.... The S-300 (NATO codename: SA-10 Grumble) - wikd indeed! Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Sundowner.pl Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Glad I'm Flying a KA-50 Well you won't be when you fly into territory of: - FIM-92 Stinger - MIM-23 Hawk - M1097 Avanger - MIM-104 Patriot - M6 Linebacker - Roland - M-163 VADS - Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard etc. You won't even know what hit you :smilewink: (remember - no RWR :smilewink: ) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
britgliderpilot Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 Well you won't be when you fly into territory of: - FIM-92 Stinger - MIM-23 Hawk - M1097 Avanger - MIM-104 Patriot - M6 Linebacker - Roland - M-163 VADS - Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard etc. You won't even know what hit you :smilewink: (remember - no RWR :smilewink: ) Dude, if you manage to wander into line-of-sight for any of those systems without noticing, you'll qualify yourself for a virtual helicopter pilot's Darwin award anyway . . . ;) Repeat after me - Nap Of The Earth! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Sundowner.pl Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 NOE is not the solution for everything :smilewink: There are times when one have to blow something up, and I don't think there will be unprotected targets anywhere and we have to remember, that Vikhr have to be guided all the way to target... and Patrot, Hawk and Roland missiles are faster :smilewink: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
britgliderpilot Posted November 7, 2007 Posted November 7, 2007 NOE is not the solution for everything :smilewink: There are times when one have to blow something up, and I don't think there will be unprotected targets anywhere and we have to remember, that Vikhr have to be guided all the way to target... and Patrot, Hawk and Roland missiles are faster :smilewink: NOE is an ideal solution to avoid radar-guided weapons systems! And if you're exposing yourself to radar-guided weapons in your battle position, again, you're doing something very wrong. . . . basically, you're worrying about Hawks and Patriots far more than is actually necessary ;) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
GGTharos Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 The problem is that NOE is right where they want to put you ... I recall reading abotu a recent exercise in germany where the AD setup, thanks to higly mobile avengers backing up the HAWK and Patriot units, pretty much blocked an apache group from achieving their goal (striking an HQ behind the AD). So being in a heli in such an environment is probably not a good thing. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Mugatu Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 You missed AWACS :) Be fun sneaking up on a KA-50 in a fighter and sniping their rotor out! Well you won't be when you fly into territory of: - FIM-92 Stinger - MIM-23 Hawk - M1097 Avanger - MIM-104 Patriot - M6 Linebacker - Roland - M-163 VADS - Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard etc. You won't even know what hit you :smilewink: (remember - no RWR :smilewink: )
ED Team Groove Posted November 8, 2007 ED Team Posted November 8, 2007 The problem is that NOE is right where they want to put you ... I recall reading abotu a recent exercise in germany where the AD setup, thanks to higly mobile avengers backing up the HAWK and Patriot units, pretty much blocked an apache group from achieving their goal (striking an HQ behind the AD). So being in a heli in such an environment is probably not a good thing. Afaik it was a excersise which was being held in Poland. It was a combined excersise of polish and german AD "against" US Apaches. Sundowner, Kusch - you guys have more infos for sure ! Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
VMFA117_Poko Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 "I wanna serve in army and shoot those bloody rockets too" Scary clip
VMFA117_Poko Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 The problem is that NOE is right where they want to put you ... I recall reading abotu a recent exercise in germany where the AD setup, thanks to higly mobile avengers backing up the HAWK and Patriot units, pretty much blocked an apache group from achieving their goal (striking an HQ behind the AD). So being in a heli in such an environment is probably not a good thing. So Apache mostly go first in the battle? Like in the beginning of Desert Storm? Or that was just becouse of lack of mobile sams in Iraqi army?
bradmick Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 Imagine being an Apache driver and inadvertently getting tagged by those nasties.......... Heheh, that's assuming the equipment actually fires ;) Brad
Eagle Driver Posted November 9, 2007 Posted November 9, 2007 In your list of big-bad American SAM's, you forgot our best one. SLAMRAAM to the rescue, I'd take that over a Tor any day. Not sure about the comparative ranges, but if SLAMRAAMs start packing Delta model Slammers, it's all over for RWR-less Hokum. They don't call it the BS for nothing. :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] If you fly a perfect Defensive BFM and the bandit does a perfect Offensive... Someone you know is going to be recieving Insurance money very soon.
GGTharos Posted November 9, 2007 Posted November 9, 2007 SLAMRAAMs don't need D-models. They can use the older ones without trouble. Mind you, US isn't deploying SLAMRAAM until 2009, AFAIK. Wether the Ka-50 has an RWR or not, the only difference it'll make is that the pilot will know he's about to die ... since the Ka-50 mounts no ECM whatsoever. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
GGTharos Posted November 9, 2007 Posted November 9, 2007 I think the Iraqi army's SAMs were somewhat compromized before the Apache's had gone in. TBH I don't know why things happened the way they happened there - though I suspect the 64's had dedicated EW aircraft backing them up. So Apache mostly go first in the battle? Like in the beginning of Desert Storm? Or that was just becouse of lack of mobile sams in Iraqi army? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
EvilBivol-1 Posted November 9, 2007 Posted November 9, 2007 I seem to remember the U.S. military announcing having to change helicopter tactics in Afghanistan and Iraq due to heavy losses... - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
Eagle Driver Posted November 9, 2007 Posted November 9, 2007 Why would it not use the AIM-120D though? I mean, sure the current ones work fine, but the D will work better, provided there's good detection range. Speaking of AAMs gone SAM, I would love to see a Phoenix-based SAM... with thrust-vectoring. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] If you fly a perfect Defensive BFM and the bandit does a perfect Offensive... Someone you know is going to be recieving Insurance money very soon.
forlorn Posted November 9, 2007 Posted November 9, 2007 I think the Iraqi army's SAMs were somewhat compromized before the Apache's had gone in. TBH I don't know why things happened the way they happened there - though I suspect the 64's had dedicated EW aircraft backing them up. Yes, in Desert Storm Apaches were covered by F-4, A-7, A-6 and F/A-18 with UAVs and Shrike/ Standard/ Harm.
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