[RESOLVED]AMD FX ?

[Shuenix]

Big Newy writes in open beta hotfix: "DCS does not work on PCs with AMD processors that do not meet the minimum requirements of AMD FX".

 

What does that actually mean?

 

I have an Ryzen 3700x, is that something that will affect me?

[=4c=Nikola]

Stop trolling. You have the most modern CPU.

[Ramsay]

Big Newy writes in open beta hotfix: "DCS does not work on PCs with AMD processors that do not meet the minimum requirements of AMD FX".

 

What does that actually mean?[/Quote]

 

The current Open Beta requires a CPU that supports SSE4.1

 

I have an Ryzen 3700x, is that something that will affect me?

No.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

This only affects AMD CPUs older than 2011. Shouldn't be a problem for most users...

[Shuenix]

Stop trolling. You have the most modern CPU.

 

I am not trolling.Dont know what AMD FX is?

[Shuenix]

The current Open Beta requires a CPU that supports SSE4.1

 

 

No.

 

Thnx

[Shuenix]

This only affects AMD CPUs older than 2011. Shouldn't be a problem for most users...

 

Thnx

[Eldur]

Well I've been running a local server with CA on it sometimes on a 965 with a 6950 at ultra-low settings without problems. Guess that's over now. No more buddy lasing via an Android tablet running remote desktop until I get a new rig and can replace the old one with my current one

 

Well, actually I haven't done that since I fly in VR, so not that big deal anyway

 

Let's move forward

[nosaMtrevoC]

I doubt he was bragging about a 3700x

 

Maybe had his post read:

 

I have dual 3950x's with a 4 way 2080 tian system and 64 gb ddr6... ok, then maybe it would have warranted that response.

Edited May 26, 2020 by nosaMtrevoC

[Sandman1330]

The AMD FX professor was the precursor to Ryzen. It came after the Phenom II and unfortunately it was quite a flop, Intel’s then new Core architecture walked all over it. The 6 core FX 6300 I had to buy for Oculus support was slower than the 6 core Phenom II I had before it.

 

I still run an old FX 8350 in my dedicated server.

 

https://www.newegg.ca/amd-fx-series-fx-4300/p/N82E16819113392

 

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu_family-amd_fx-9

[Shuenix]

Thnx.

[SkateZilla]

This was an issue w/ AMD K10 And Older. (Phenom II and Older).

 

AMD FX and Ryzen are not affected.

[nosaMtrevoC]

This is not an AMD/Intel flame, but this is exactly why you pay a premium for Intel, especially in the datacenter. Intel XEON chips supported SSE4 right out of the gate (around 2007), while it took AMD another 5 years to even begin rolling out SSE4.

 

If you are buying for longevity (keeping a processor for a decade for instance) which many datacenters do, you don't even consider AMD. That has changed of recent where AMD is stealing up to 15% of the datacenter market, but most of that is cheaper hosting providers who are not expected to provide down to physical cpu feature sets.

 

That being said, I'm running a 3900x this year, and have bough AMD phenom and such for cheaper servers in the past, but I am well aware of the caviates that may come with them for that reduced price tag. AMD != Intel, but I like where they are headed with their consumer products. Intel better strap up their pants and get hustling.

[SkateZilla]

This is not an AMD/Intel flame, but this is exactly why you pay a premium for Intel, especially in the datacenter. Intel XEON chips supported SSE4 right out of the gate (around 2007), while it took AMD another 5 years to even begin rolling out SSE4.

 

If you are buying for longevity (keeping a processor for a decade for instance) which many datacenters do, you don't even consider AMD. That has changed of recent where AMD is stealing up to 15% of the datacenter market, but most of that is cheaper hosting providers who are not expected to provide down to physical cpu feature sets.

 

That being said, I'm running a 3900x this year, and have bough AMD phenom and such for cheaper servers in the past, but I am well aware of the caviates that may come with them for that reduced price tag. AMD != Intel, but I like where they are headed with their consumer products. Intel better strap up their pants and get hustling.

 

Because Intel Owns the Instruction Set and didnt make it available for AMD to License until after the Core Architecture was released.

 

AMD Launched SSE4 CPU's in 2007 w/ Phenom Agena Architecture (Nov) and 3rd Gen. Operton (65mn) (Sept.)

 

So you're statement of "always goto intel" and your claim of 5 years behind for SSE4 is False.

 

This type of Mis-Information spreading is due to lack of knowledge, and or other reasons (Personal Opinion Etc).

 

w/ Ryzen the performance gap is less than 10% Overall, and the Price Gap remains the same, Intel is getting beat in multiple categories now.

 

AMD Suffered Greatly with the CMT Design of the FX Architectures. and was forced to do a mid-life abandonment of the design and build a new one from scratch.

 

Ryzen took 6 Years to develop, During that time, AMD Restructured Leadership Twice, and had Zero Competition for Intel in the CMT Designs, no matter how high they clocked or how low AMD Cut the Price.

 

AMD Hopefully wont make the same mistake again.

[nosaMtrevoC]

Because Intel Owns the Instruction Set and didnt make it available for AMD to License until after the Core Architecture was released.

 

AMD Launched SSE4 CPU's in 2007 w/ Phenom Agena Architecture (Nov) and 3rd Gen. Operton (65mn) (Sept.)

 

So you're statement of "always goto intel" and your claim of 5 years behind for SSE4 is False.

 

This type of Mis-Information spreading is due to lack of knowledge, and or other reasons (Personal Opinion Etc).

 

w/ Ryzen the performance gap is less than 10% Overall, and the Price Gap remains the same, Intel is getting beat in multiple categories now.

 

AMD Suffered Greatly with the CMT Design of the FX Architectures. and was forced to do a mid-life abandonment of the design and build a new one from scratch.

 

Ryzen took 6 Years to develop, During that time, AMD Restructured Leadership Twice, and had Zero Competition for Intel in the CMT Designs, no matter how high they clocked or how low AMD Cut the Price.

 

AMD Hopefully wont make the same mistake again.

 

Intel didn't release SSE4 to AMD for the same reason AMD didn't release SSE5 to Intel. Pick your side, it doesn't matter, it's two sides of the same coin.

 

You misread my post as saying I prefer Intel because it's the better product. I prefer Intel because I know their instruction sets are more supported and quicker to be implemented because they are the more common implementation. I'm not talking about desktop consumer products for the most part as I choose AMD for their price/performance many times.

 

I'm happy with AMD Competition, as I said I own one now in the 3900x. More competition is better IMO.

 

That being said, AMD is relatively new in Datacenter. You can settle down a notch with the accusation of spreading misinformation due to lack of knowledge. I don't know why posts always have to go to this type of negativity.

 

I have yet to see a first tier data center implement AMD at any scale until recently. Neither would we have ever considered AMD for our on premise, even recently.

 

I wasn't speaking of Ryzen at all as obviously I don't have a problem with their price/performance and feel they beat Intel in the consumer arena.

Edited May 27, 2020 by nosaMtrevoC

[SkateZilla]

SSE5 was never released, AMD dropped pursuing it for a set more compatible with intel's AVX.

 

SSE5 was to be an extension to intels SSE4 proposed by AMD. But not developed by them.

 

SSE Is owned By Intel, along with MMX and AVX and a dozen or so other Extensions.

Intel Also owns the x86 Core intructions.

 

As stated, your post states AMDs deployment of SSE4 was 5 yrs behind Intel, which is false Information.

 

And the endorsment of Intel because features Intel developed are Integrated quicker is opinion.

 

99% of the special Features in Intels Specialized Instruction sets make no difference in the Consumer End User Market.

 

The Huge Perf. (And Power Efficiency) Gap the last 8 years was a result of AMDs poor decision to back CMT even when engineers voiced concerns, which resulted in company leadership changes and the abortion of the FX Desktop Architecture.

 

Not Integration of Instruction Sets.

 

At the Core, everything is x86-64 (for Intel and AMD), MMX, SSE, 3Dnow, AVX are all just extensions to aid in some calculations and sequences.

Edited May 27, 2020 by SkateZilla

[nosaMtrevoC]

I'm not interested in getting into the weeds with you. I think you may have overlooked my point. Whether or not SSE5 was released, my point stands.

 

Intel/AMD extension wars were over SSE4 and SSE5. AMD's failure to release it is irrelevant to my point.

 

I disagree. Athlon / Athlon II and Phenom II (and more, its hardly exhaustive list) were all released after sse4 was and don't support it.

 

My whole post is in the context of people hosting DCS in a datacenter and complaining about support for sse4 (which is a different issue surrounding their VM's and not the CPU's they're running on, but I digress).

 

If anything my endorsement outside of enterprise is for AMD.

 

You may feel that my endorsement in enterprise for intel is opinion, but I'm not alone. Single digit representation of AMD in enterprise (and that's only recently) speaks for itself. Good for AMD for raising the competition in enterprise to single digit market share, we need the competition, if for no other reason to keep Intel honest.

 

I never once mentioned half of what you are stating, so I don't know why this has become part of the discussion. I did not propose the perf. gap between the two has anything to do with anything never mind instruction sets. I havn't proposed half of what you keep stating. IMO this is getting into the weeds and I'm not interested in walking through them.

 

I'll go back to my OP/reply. Had OP bought an Intel chip during the same period he had bought his AMD (and paid a bit more for it), he wouldn't be posting here in the first place. That was the original intent of my post.

[SkateZilla]

K10 Supported SSE4 and 4a (Which Includes Phenom, Phenom II, Athlon x2, Athlon II, Sempron, Sempron x2 and Llano APUs.)

SSE4.1, which is what caused DCS to not run on K10 or older, was not supported until FX / CMT Architecture.

 

Again, Intel Owns SSE, AMD wanted new extensions to be included in a New SSE 5.0 Standard from Intel, but Intel said No, SSE IS Done and Intel moved on to AVX.

 

AMD proceeded with CMT and FX with additional Extensions on top of SSE4.1.

 

DCS was never used in data centers because it didnt have a dedicated server option either.

 

its cool, its a healthy discussion, however I simply was just pointing out mis information regarding the facts stated for support of a point.

SSE4 was Not several years behind Intel, K10 Launched less than a year after Intel's Core Series, both Supported SSE 4.0 At Launch in 2006/2007.

 

Intel Had Licensed it to AMD, however, they did not License SSE 4.1 and SSE 4.2 to AMD, and AMD Stuck their own instruction extensions for SSE4.0a, SSE 4.1/4.2 was not Licensed and Supported until the FX Processors. Only because Intel had Already moved to AVX so they didn't mind Licensing SSE4.2 to AMD at that point, they were already years behind Intel, and the CMT Architecture only put them farther behind.

 

but yes Intel has a strangle hold in the server markets and still does.

Edited May 28, 2020 by SkateZilla