Swift. Posted August 13, 2020 Posted August 13, 2020 Are there any plans to update the Harpoons flight profile so that it properly skims the surface for the duration of the flight and no just within the last few NM? 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
isotaan Posted August 13, 2020 Posted August 13, 2020 Last I heard ED didn't have documentation of how it works, so they chose not to simulate it.
fmedges Posted August 13, 2020 Posted August 13, 2020 That’s a bummer [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Allied Air Command Website | Allied Air Command Discord
kengou Posted August 13, 2020 Posted August 13, 2020 I sincerely hope this does get looked at. My Harpoons miss often because of overflying the targets. Virpil WarBRD | Thrustmaster Hornet Grip | Foxx Mount | Thrustmaster TWCS Throttle | Logitech G Throttle Quadrant | VKB T-Rudder IV | TrackIR 5 AMD Ryzen 5 3600 | Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB | 32GB DDR4 3200 | SSD
AvroLanc Posted August 13, 2020 Posted August 13, 2020 Last I heard ED didn't have documentation of how it works, so they chose not to simulate it. Well it’s unusable in two of the flight profiles they've chosen to implement (med and high). It needs adjusting to be more logical. A descent to a much lower search altitude a short while before coming active.....
Swift. Posted August 13, 2020 Author Posted August 13, 2020 We have found some more detailed documentation about harpoon, its profiles and the various settings to control it. But I cant post it here due to rule (1.17?). So I have PMed a Mod instead. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
Frederf Posted August 13, 2020 Posted August 13, 2020 Would a skim height Harpoon even be able to radar detect anything? I thought all terminal approaches happen after an acquisition phase.
Swift. Posted August 13, 2020 Author Posted August 13, 2020 Would a skim height Harpoon even be able to radar detect anything? I thought all terminal approaches happen after an acquisition phase. That is why, at the start of the search zone, it will pop up. And then return to skim once a target has been acquired. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
fmedges Posted August 13, 2020 Posted August 13, 2020 Adjust the warhead for the harpoons while their at it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Allied Air Command Website | Allied Air Command Discord
Swift. Posted August 13, 2020 Author Posted August 13, 2020 Adjust the warhead for the harpoons while their at it. Harpoon does enough damage as it is now. The problem is that most ships lack the advanced damage modelling. Your goal isnt to send the ship to the locker, but rather to hinder its combat performance. Be that destruction of its sensors, weapons, or mobility. Not to mention that the damage control requirements of having 2 great holes in your ship may leave you short handed to man the action stations. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
Frederf Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 That is why, at the start of the search zone, it will pop up. And then return to skim once a target has been acquired. I got confused when you asked for the Harpoon to skim "for the duration of the flight" which would be 100% of the flight. So it should search at height, detect, and then skim thereafter. What is it doing now, remaining at the search height after detection and only skimming terminal? I'm just curious if that is real behavior. If the Harpoon detects the ship far away and then goes to skim could the target be lost? Will the Harpoon gradually descend while keeping track and flying level or climbing to reacquire if lost?
Swift. Posted August 14, 2020 Author Posted August 14, 2020 I got confused when you asked for the Harpoon to skim "for the duration of the flight" which would be 100% of the flight. So it should search at height, detect, and then skim thereafter. What is it doing now, remaining at the search height after detection and only skimming terminal? I'm just curious if that is real behavior. If the Harpoon detects the ship far away and then goes to skim could the target be lost? Will the Harpoon gradually descend while keeping track and flying level or climbing to reacquire if lost? From what I have read and understood, in skim mode it will immediately descend to skim altitude and fly at that altitude until the start of its search zone, where it will climb to acquire a target. Once it has acquired the target it will return to skim altitude until impact. Currently in DCS, it will fly in at the cruise altitude (LOW = 5000ft) and only descend to skim upon target detection, which in DCS tends to happen within 10NM or so. Meaning it is flying well above the radar horizon for a long time before it even begins its search, leading to it being detected and destroyed long before it even finds the target. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
CarbonFox Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 Very curious about this as well as when the Harpoon will inflict the proper amount of damage on a ship. I'd imagine the flight profiles will be expanded though once SEA mode is complete on the A/G radar. F/A-18C; A-10C; F-14B; Mirage 2000C; A-4E; F-16C; Flaming Cliffs 3
diditopgun Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) Yep, harpoon is pretty useless at this time against warship in DCS... :( An Exocet antiship missile is sea-skimming during all the flight for exemple. Edited August 15, 2020 by diditopgun [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel I7 8700K / RTX 3080 / 32Go DDR4 PC21300 G.Skill Ripjaws V / MSI Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon / Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold - 1000W / Noctua NH-D14 / Acer XB270HUDbmiprz 27" G-synch 144Hz / SSD Samsung 860EVO 250Go + 1To / Cooler Master HAF X / Warthog+VPC WarBRD / Thrustmaster TPR / Track-IR v5 + Track Clip Pro / Windows 11 64bits.
Rescue Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 The Harpoon doesn't climb. So if you choose low and flying below 5000ft the Harpoon wouldn't climb. You have to keep in mind some feet that the Harpoon drops of the pylon, but this way you can create a low flying harpoon. Grettings
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