Anyone planning on getting the 3090 for VR?

[Gunnars Driver]

Nor for me they didn't. I had 6 sites open, and all went to pre-order instantly, and that was with refreshing every few seconds from 2pm on the dot!

 

I selected a Asus Strix OC. I already on my fourth strix OC so I just have to continue.

+ That as I read they wont start ship Asus strix until next week = where I ordered, they wasnt in stock, but expexted in a couple of weeks = I thought that not that many would go for the most expensive not even in stock. I can live a couple of weeks on my 2080ti strix OC, but barely :)

 

Had two (swedish) sites open, they was possible to order on both and had one card on each place in the shopping chaert for a short moment.

[Gunnars Driver]

There you go: enjoy! And remember your mates on the forum... let us know how much of an improvement from the 2080 Ti in DCS.

 

Wilco!

[orcus]

I should have 1 in 5 days from scan if the pc build time is correct

[boedha68]

Netherlands: zero cards on stock. all in pre-order.

 

Glad to be on the waitinglist number 13 for the MSI 3080 gaming x trio.

 

I'll think 3090 not available to next year. So:

 

PAPER LAUNCH!!

[Waxer]

I had a chat to a very nice / helpful sales guy at one of the stores: He basically told me that they had 3080s (the conversation was not about the 3090) in stock currently. However, because "they didn't make much money from the GPUs", all of the 3080s that they had were reserved for their full system builds where overall sales and margins are a lot higher. They expect to be freeing up GPU stock for self builds / upgrades in October.

 

I doubt many system builds will include 3090s, and I imagine margins are a little better so maybe the retailers are more willing to just pass these on without keeping many for their system builds?

 

I did hear of some nutters on Reddit that were buying entire systems just so they could get their paws on 3080s on launch. Seem all a bit ridiculous to me. But that is capitalism for you.

[orcus]

I think that’s the only way I got 1 because it’s part of a full system build

[Gunnars Driver]

Netherlands: zero cards on stock. all in pre-order.

 

In sweden there was a few 3090's in stock. Not many, and not all versions. This on serious sites that actually could deliver when 3080 was released.

 

[boedha68]

3000 US dollars for a 3090????? WHAT?????

[Mud]

3000 US dollars for a 3090????? WHAT?????

 

20.000 SEK is about 2.200 USD at the moment.

[dawgie79]

The GeForce RTX 3090 — our big ferocious GPU, or “BFGPU” — launches Thursday.

 

It features 10,496 CUDA cores. It’s packed with 24GB of cutting-edge GDDR6X memory. It’s the world’s fastest graphics card — much faster than the previous generation TITAN RTX.

 

Similar to TITAN RTX, GeForce RTX 3090 will appeal to the most demanding users. It’s great for creators making movies and rendering cinematics. It’s sure to appeal to researchers building systems for data science and AI. And, of course, it’s ideal for extreme gamers who want to experience the new world of 8K gaming.

 

The GeForce RTX 3090 enables creators who push their creations to the limits of graphics hardware with professional creation applications and with large models, detailed scenes, and high-resolution textures.

 

Rendering in these types of applications not only requires a more powerful GPU. It requires more GPU memory. Creators using the GeForce RTX 3090 will find that they can work with datasets that are more than twice as large as those that will fit into the memory of the GeForce RTX 3080.

 

For gamers pushing the limits, the GeForce RTX 3090 is also the first GPU that lets you connect, play, capture, and watch in 8K HDR. That’s an insane 4x the pixels of 4K and 16x the pixels of 1080p.

 

For 4K gaming, the GeForce RTX 3090 is about 10-15% faster on average than the GeForce RTX 3080, and up to 50% faster than the TITAN RTX.

 

Since we built GeForce RTX 3090 for a unique group of users, like the TITAN RTX before it, we want to apologise upfront that this will be in limited supply on launch day. We know this is frustrating, and we’re working with our partners to increase the supply in the weeks to come.

From https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/news/rtx-3090-out-september-24/

Bold from me. As I mentioned earlier. For that price, unless you have more than enough to spend, just don't. :)

[Gunnars Driver]

3000 US dollars for a 3090????? WHAT?????

 

20.000 SEK is about 2.200 USD at the moment.

 

1799usd ( US price) plus 25% (Swedish) VAT is more or less om the dollar what I payed.

[Waxer]

The testing shows that 3090 is at most 18% better than the 3080 at 4K. And 4K results could be as little as 4%. Typical / average result is 8-11%, so Nvidia not flat out lying, but erring on the side of generosity to their new product as you would expect.

 

Some people just want the best because they can. (They make money, and they don't spend it on racing yachts or private jets etc). And also I don't think you should overlook the fantastic Founders Edition cooler. Using 3 slots I expect it to perform very favourably against the AIBs. The 3080 Founders Edition cooler suffered in comparison to AIBs as it was only 2 slot, against two and a half to three slots with the AIB cards. So for a 2 slot solution it was performing above it's scale. Anyways, I would much rather a 3090 at RRP than overpay for a 3080 right now.

[boedha68]

Well I could pay it, but there was nothing on stock. I bought the rtx 3080 too. I am not Rich, but saves money for THIS a Year Long!

[Supmua]

Had it in the basket from Newegg, then got paged for an emergent heart attack. After I answered the page, all sold out. Just my luck lol.

[dawgie79]

The testing shows that 3090 is at most 18% better than the 3080 at 4K. And 4K results could be as little as 4%. Typical / average result is 8-11%, so Nvidia not flat out lying, but erring on the side of generosity to their new product as you would expect.

 

Some people just want the best because they can. (They make money, and they don't spend it on racing yachts or private jets etc). And also I don't think you should overlook the fantastic Founders Edition cooler. Using 3 slots I expect it to perform very favourably against the AIBs. The 3080 Founders Edition cooler suffered in comparison to AIBs as it was only 2 slot, against two and a half to three slots with the AIB cards. So for a 2 slot solution it was performing above it's scale. Anyways, I would much rather a 3090 at RRP than overpay for a 3080 right now.

 

When I read the NVidia statement I just posted I get the impression the 3090 is more geared towards creators rather than gamers. And that's supported by the low difference in benchmarks, the famous 10-15% at 4K, as well as the specifications; it's the same chip, with a few minor tweaks like a bit more bandwith, and a few more cuda cores and memory.

 

So the point is, it's not the best. For gaming, that is. Unless you have 8K. :joystick:

[Waxer]

Had it in the basket from Newegg, then got paged for an emergent heart attack. After I answered the page, all sold out. Just my luck lol.

 

Wasn't much luck for the poor soul having a heart attack either. Hope you were able to help them. :thumbup:

[BMGZ06]

Just saw Linus Tech Tips review on the 3090 and in MS Flight Sim 2020 it only gave 14 fps more over a 2080ti in 4k and 6 over the 3080 due to CPU bottlenecks they said even with the fastest CPU 10900k for gaming. The improvement shrinks even more in 1440p so in 1080p it would be likely nothing. So it looks like it could be much the same in DCS. I doubt it is worth it to buy the 3090 for DCS since it is so CPU bound. Perhaps in VR it may change things with higher res headsets like the Reverb.

[imacken]

Just saw Linus Tech Tips review on the 3090 and in MS Flight Sim 2020 it only gave 14 fps more over a 2080ti in 4k and 6 over the 3080 due to CPU bottlenecks they said even with the fastest CPU 10900k for gaming. The improvement shrinks even more in 1440p so in 1080p it would be likely nothing. So it looks like it could be much the same in DCS. I doubt it is worth it to buy the 3090 for DCS since it is so CPU bound. Perhaps in VR it may change things with higher res headsets like the Reverb.

 

Without going through all the painful argument again, DCS is NOT CPU bound. It can be, but that depends on your hardware and settings.

 

Personally, I am GPU bound 90% of the time in DCS VR, so I am looking forward to my 3090.

[BMGZ06]

Without going through all the painful argument again, DCS is NOT CPU bound. It can be, but that depends on your hardware and settings.

 

Personally, I am GPU bound 90% of the time in DCS VR, so I am looking forward to my 3090.

 

Well the 3090 is also going to need a min of 1000w PSU from their tests since it was hammering their high end 850w to the max. So I would also have to buy a new PSU which sucks. I just do not see the 3090 being worth another $1500 for me at this point unless someone can show a 20fps improvement in a reverb so I never get a Dip into the 30's in areas near the ground and a lot of AI or in MP dogfights with several players. I hope it can provide that improvement. If it can I will buy it.

[Waxer]

We've got some folks in the community upgrading from the 2080 Ti, so rather than speculate on DCS by extrapolating from MSFS 2020 (they are quite different executions of a flight simulator and MSFS is also very early in release and will no doubt get lots of optimisations in the future) lets just wait a little to get feedback from the early adopters within our community.

 

And yeah... I have no patience for a CPU bottleneck discussion. It has been done to death. Yes, we know it is important, and it could be an issue for some people with some setups. But let's wait and see peoples' actual experience.

[Supmua]

Wasn't much luck for the poor soul having a heart attack either. Hope you were able to help them. :thumbup:

 

I was sulking a bit but he was a happy man afterward:D

[S-GERAT]

My only hope for the 3090 is for running VR at big supersampling levels. Yesterday I was trying at caucasus with absurd supersampling with the Reverb and end with a 500 % supersampling. The caucasus map is the less taxing for the gpu and surprisingly my overclocked 2080 ti was running above 30 fps at Tbilisi zone.. with the graphic card usage at 90-100 % but as such high supersampling I was getting stutters which maybe were produced by the vram being saturated.

 

In the Syria map, in one of the parkings at Ramat David my gpu was at 100 % at only 170 % supersampling. The graphics were superb, but was unplayable unless airborne. Maybe with the 3090..

[Supmua]

Regarding the CPU bottleneck, there is pretty much nothing you can do from the user’s end. You’re at the mercy of the developers to optimize their games or engines.

 

I was doing some VR flying last night (Valve Index, standard VR preset to get rid of bias) and surprisingly my CPU FT stayed in the green zone flying low in Dubai. The only time it was in the orange zone was in the beginning of the default supercarrier takeoff misision, and at certain spots in Persian Gulf. So in average situations I don’t think it is that bad, at least in single player scenario. And this was with medium shadows, when I lowered it to flat shadows the CPU FT was even better.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Supmua

[speed-of-heat]

Just saw Linus Tech Tips review on the 3090 and in MS Flight Sim 2020 it only gave 14 fps more over a 2080ti in 4k and 6 over the 3080 due to CPU bottlenecks they said even with the fastest CPU 10900k for gaming. The improvement shrinks even more in 1440p so in 1080p it would be likely nothing. So it looks like it could be much the same in DCS. I doubt it is worth it to buy the 3090 for DCS since it is so CPU bound. Perhaps in VR it may change things with higher res headsets like the Reverb.

 

at 1080p that may well be the case.. but ... i game on a Reverb ... that's 9m pixels, e.g. 4k+, which is without super sampling or anti aliasing ... so the 4k numbers are super relevant for me

 

also Paul's hardware did some 3090 at the wall analysis

which are entire system numbers in terms of wattage.

[Waxer]

Screen res:

I actually use a 5K monitor, so 15mn pixels compared to 4K monitor 8mn pixels. So yeah, I am interested in 1440p --> 4K performance because it gives me a taste of what to expect on 5K. (And this explains why I get peeved with people talking about CPU bottlenecks, who refuse to accept that someone else with a different system could be getting GPU bottleneck).

 

CPU:

Comment about "not much you can do to improve CPU performance." Assuming that you are already using a Comet Lake at 5.0-5.3 GHz, yes and no. Clearly if you have such a rig then you will be using a relatively fast low latency memory kit such as 3200 CL14, or 3600 CL16. But I've seen some people get a few extra percentage of performance with a 10xxx series chip using expensive Samsung B die overlocking memory and tuning the timings carefully. Here is a link to one such guy that has managed to squeeze a little extra performance from his system. Note that he is using an Asus Z490 Apex motherboard. (Other option would be the unobtanium EVGA Z490 Dark).

 

https://imgur.com/a/OkMl9sN

 

Results from memory testing on an earlier build of his:

 

https://kingfaris.co.uk/ram/15