Composition and Placement of Ground Units

[VMFA117_Poko]

Right under the nose, huh? ;) What is on the airfield by the way? Some kind of bazar/market?

[Kusch]

Ukrainian S-300PMU, Tunguska and Ranzhir:

 

[tacit_blue]

@Kusch

 

I was wondering if u could provide pictures of the new Polish MBT Leopard 2? As far as I know the German government gave the Polish Army a couple of hundreds of these Main Battle Tanks out of German army depots.

I'd appreciate if u present some pictures with Polish insignias on the MBT's.

Thanks Kusch!

[Kusch]

Enjoy :)

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=463109#post463109

[tacit_blue]

@Kusch

Fantanstic photos of the PL Leo-2!!

According to ur sources u must be in the public relations office of the PL MoD?

Thank's again...

 

Have a nice day!

 

tacit

[Kusch]

SA-15 Gauntlet "TOR" battery structure:

 

4 missile launcher 9A331

1 command center 9S737MK*

2 missile transport truck (Ural-43203) 9T244**

1 transport truck (Ural-43203) 9T245

1 technical service truck (Ural-43203) 9W887

1 service part truck (Ural-43203) 9F339

1 camouflage system part truck (Ural-43203) 9F116

 

*http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/155/tor08jz8.jpg

**http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6912/tor09ep2.jpg

 

 

Some photos:

 

http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/01/24/1975#more-1975

http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/01/24/1958#more-1958

 

 

Grece command center 9S737MK

 

 

Grece "Tor" missile transport truck (Ural-43203)

 

 

Grece S-300PMU1

 

[Kusch]

SA-11 Gadfly Buk-M1 structure:

 

Battery:

 

2 missile launcher 9M310M1

1 transport missile launcher 9A39 (9M310M1 without radar)

 

Unit:

 

6 missile launcher 9M310M1

3 transport missile launcher 9A39 (9M310M1 without radar)

1 command center 9S470

1 searching radar 9S18

4 technical service truck (Ural-43203)

1 service truck (Zil-131)

1 automatic survey truck (Zil-131) 9W95

9? missile transport truck (Kraz-255B)

 

 

Brigade:

 

4 Unit

1 Polana D4 command center

 

Some pics:

 

http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/03/08/2984#more-2984

http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/03/08/3003#more-3003

 

[Kusch]

Portugese Chaparral:

 

http://www.dogsofwar.fotopic.net/c1498667.html

[EvilBivol-1]

Thanks Acedy and others. The sticky is still up, so info is still welcome. :)

[RedTiger]

This is not related to AI. This information is needed for two reasons - organization of ground unit templates and 3D models design.

The templates will allow you to place a preset collection of ground units onto the map. For example, instead of having to place individual launchers and radars for a SAM site, you could simply place the SAM site template. If you wish, you could then adjust the positions of the individual units as needed. However, the team is trying to produce templates that are as accurate as possible, so specific placement descriptions are needed.

 

I just wanted to stop in here and say that this is magnificent if this is applied to combat formations. I've seen some LOMAC missions with questionable TO&E, or at least I wonder if any real research was done. :) Having these built into the mission editor is a big help in the way of realism.

[Kusch]

Russian war games "Center 2008"

 

http://www.mil.ru/848/1045/1272/20663/1360/50999/index.shtml

http://www.otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w4/051_center2008.htm

 

 

[Ferski]

 

Iranian anti-air defend system review, perhaps can be useful.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=129494

Edited January 4, 2009 by Ferski

[fox_111]

I was about to post that.

[Griffin]

About the FARPs in the BS.

 

I don't know anything about real Russian helicopter tactics or how they make FARPs in real life but with common sense and with a little of my experiences with the subject, it feels like the FARPs are way too exposed. They sit in the middle of open areas and a single Mi-24 could bring hell there with just one pass. That would work if they had strong air superiority but in BS its not the deal.

 

Here is a (western) schoolbook example:

 

 

 

Helicopter landing spots are in an area with vegetation to create visual blocks and easying the camouflaging of vehicles. The vehicles are located under or close to vegetation at a convenient distances from the helicopters. Some support infantry around the area would be nice too.

 

I took the image from HERE. It's a western idea of a FARP design. You've propably seen it.

 

I understand it might not be easy to create such FARPs in BS. Is it possible to at least place it in a treeline and with helicopters having a little more spacing between them?

Edited June 25, 2009 by Griffin

[Griffin]

Many of you have propably heard of the Russian inflatable military hardware that are set to fool enemy reconnaissance. Here are some pictures of such sites (S-300?). Now even if they aren't real batteries, they are still supposed to look like real and fool the enemy so i'm thinking that it might be worth mentioning these pictures.

 

 

 

 

Here are the rest of them: http://englishrussia.com/?p=2025

[zakobi]

Many of you have propably heard of the Russian inflatable military hardware that are set to fool enemy reconnaissance. Here are some pictures of such sites (S-300?). Now even if they aren't real batteries, they are still supposed to look like real and fool the enemy so i'm thinking that it might be worth mentioning these pictures.

 

 

 

 

Here are the rest of them: http://englishrussia.com/?p=2025

 

With that i can imagine this situation:

U.S. Blackhawk: "We just spotted a S-300 site, but it seems to be inactive, over."

Air control: "Ok, standby... We are sending is some A-10 to clean up"

Blackhawk: "roger... Well fire a short burst to see if anythings happen"

Air control: "Roger on the burst"

Burst sound followed by a loud Pfffffff...

Blackhawk: "WTF???"

Air control: "What happened?"

Blackhawk: "i think those were, ehh inflatable?"

Air control: "yeah right..."

[Kusch]

Russian military camp near Kacha, Crimea

 

[isoul]

Is HAWK still in service somewhere?

 

...

 

Upgraded Hawk systems are still in service, with Turkey and Romania having the most modernized ones(Hawk XXI), and rest of the countries having upgraded them to Phase II or III(most HAWKs in service are Phase III and maybe some Phase II). The initial system, dating back to 1959, is hard to be found nowadays in service.

 

Typical Phase III Hawk Battery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAWK)

 

A typical Phase-III Hawk battery consists of:

 

• 1 x PAR - Pulse Acquisition Radar - Search radar (AN/MPQ-50)
  
• 1 x CWAR - Continuous Wave Acquisition Radar (AN/MPQ-62)
  
• 2 x HIPIR - HIgh Power Illuminator doppler Radar - 1 HIPIR for every 3 DLN (AN/MPQ-61)
  
• 1 x FDC - Fire Distributuon Center
  
• 1 x IFF - Identification Friend or Foe Transceiver(AN/TPX-46 which is install inside FDC)
  
• 6 x DLN - Digital Launchers with 18 missiles.(...the launchers as is in encyclopedia)
  
• 6 x MEP-816 - Generators 60KW (400 Hz) each. (plus 1 or 2 backup generators of the same type)
  
• 12 x M-390 - Missile transport pallets with 36 missile
  
• 3 x M-501 - Missile loading tractors.
  
• 1 x Bucket loader (a typical one! -probably for making fortifications- instead for calling the Engineer Corps units)
  

A Battalion consists of 2-3 Batteries

 

 

Photos & Drawings

(sorry for not being the best or the most helpful for ED team to recreate them ingame but I couldn't find better ones)

 

AN/MPQ-50

 

AN/MPQ-62

AN/MPQ-61

 

Battery Fire Distribution Center

 

M501 Tractor

 

M390 Trailer

 

MEP-816A Generator

 

In the .pdf below(which is in Greek* unfortunately), at page 6 in drawing 1 and 2... :

 

http://www.army.gr/files/File/Oplostasio/Purovoliko/HAWK.pdf

 

1st Drawing : A drawing of a full HAWK battery with approximate placement of its elements (3 of 6 DLN shown)

2nd Drawing : A drawing of what is called "Assault Fire Platoon" with its 3 DLN

 

*In case you need any additional I can try to translate them for you.

Edited January 19, 2010 by isoul

[Oscar]

There is a lot of this kind of information, for multiple country weapon systems, at globalsecurity.org - you just have to dig (search) into the site to find the information though.

[nikres]

Intriguing... :)

 

Anything you think may be useful for Ka-50 missions. ;)

Duplicate Files

I think they already have templates for S-300 (two versions), Patriot, some others, but there is never too much info.

 

SA-15 Gauntlet "TOR" battery structure:

 

4 missile launcher 9A331

1 command center 9S737MK*

2 missile transport truck (Ural-43203) 9T244**

1 transport truck (Ural-43203) 9T245

1 technical service truck (Ural-43203) 9W887

1 service part truck (Ural-43203) 9F339

1 camouflage system part truck (Ural-43203) 9F116

[DarkFire]

Does anyone know where FC2 saves templates, and what their file extension is?

 

Also, does anyone know what the composition of a small Russian armoured detachment would be? I've been guessing that it's something like 4 x T-80U + 4 x BMP3 + command vehicle + Tunguska.

 

The only included template I can find in FC2 is for a Russian S-300PMU group. Does anyone have templates for Patriot, Buk, Kub and Hawk SAM systems that we could share in the "user files" section of the site?

[Spartan]

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-SAM-Site-Configs-B.html#mozTocId819904

 

This is the site i used to make my SAM templates and relative strategic positions relative to airfields and population centers.

[Silver_Dragon]

By Sam Simulator

 

The S-300PMU (SA-10B Grumble) Organization

 

The S-300PMU (SA-10B) firing battery contains:

One target acquisition unit

One 36D6 (36D6 Tin Shield) medium to high altitude 3D target acquisition radar.

One 76H6 (76N6 Clam Shell) low altitude continuous wave target acquisition radar.

One fire control unit

One 30H6E RPN (30N6E Flap Lid B) target illuminator and missile guidance radar.

Four firing unit, containing…

One 5P85CY; (5P85SU) launcher connected to the 30N6E with radio (~120m).

Two 5P85DY; (5P85DU) auxiliary launcher connected to the 5P85SU by cable.

 

Each firing unit transports 12pcs ready to launch V-500R 5V55R (Grumble mod.1) missiles, altogether 48pcs for the battery.

 

http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2011/05/full-17362-12036-s300batty_copy.jpg

 

Command post missile control unit

-6 target channel (similar launch indicator at right as the Vega has)

-4 firing unit

-3 launcher per firing unit, with 4 missiles each

 

http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2011/05/full-17362-12037-panel_copy.jpg

Edited May 23, 2011 by Silver_Dragon

[Stuka]

Have a look: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1338668#

[59th_LeFty]

An excellent thread so far. I'm going to bother for more :)

 

SA-15 Gauntlet "TOR" battery structure:

 

4 missile launcher 9A331

1 command center 9S737MK*

2 missile transport truck (Ural-43203) 9T244**

1 transport truck (Ural-43203) 9T245

1 technical service truck (Ural-43203) 9W887

1 service part truck (Ural-43203) 9F339

1 camouflage system part truck (Ural-43203) 9F116

 

For now, I only ask if TOR batteries used to have (or can) employ some sort of early warning systems? Or what part of an air defense do they fit in, which they can communicate?