reported Wingman rubber banding all over the place...

[Capn kamikaze]

In single player, when I am coming back to the carrier, and my wingman is in close, before entering the patern and telling them to kiss off, they are warping about, and hitting me.

 

It looks exactly like in MP when players have a rubbish ping and are rubber banding about.

 

Don't know if it has been reported.

[FoxTwo]

I've been seeing the same thing... AI units always, looks exactly like MP lag. Had it happen in the Raven One campaign a few times.

[Capn kamikaze]

I don't think this is an AI problem, it seems more like a game engine problem.

[dundun92]

Ye someone reported this ages ago in the ED discord. Trynna find the clip. Ive seen it a few times in SP as well

[BIGNEWY]

Please add a track replay showing it happen and let us know your system spec.

 

thanks

[Shrimp]

AI Rubber Band.trk

 

Besides this rubber band / warping / slingshot effect AI also:

- start/end turns/climbs/descents abruptly (having wingmen flying in formation);

- overshoot the desired heading and must immediately correct it (abruptly - twice);

- unrealistically slow down when starting a big turn (big heading change) and starting a big climb/descent (big altitude change) to the point of being impossible to keep formation (for human players with WWII aircraft, at least) and after a short while climb at also an unrealistic performance being almost impossible for an human player to keep up;

- keep the leader's plan during turns (as opposed to the earth's plan or a slight altitude stack - high on the outside or low on the inside) when flying close but not tight formation also in an unrealistic (aerodynamically impossible) way. If the human player is flying as #3 or #4 it is impossible to keep formation. This accumulates with the big drop of speed when starting a big turn (looking from behind it is as if #2 and #3 are attached/soldered to #1 with big sticks).

 

All this renders proper formation flying impossible and kills the immersion on paid DLC campaigns.

Especially bad on WWII mass formations when the human player flies as wingmen.

 

 

Cheers!!!

 

 

Specs:

i9 10c/20t 4.7GHz

64 GB 4000MHz

RTX 3090

2TB M2 SSD

Valve Index

Current Windows 10

Edited March 10, 2021 by Shrimp
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[BIGNEWY]

Hi, 

 

you are lead in the flight, if you pull hard manoeuvres the AI will do their best to keep the close formation, with the simple flight model for the AI this can look odd. 

 

It is best to spread your flight out, or use trail, it is much easier for the AI to keep formation if you are doing very tight turns. 

 

thank you

[Dragon1-1]

Would that be possible to update the AI FM so that it doesn't do that as much? New AI is all well and good, but if it still doesn't play by the same rules as the player, or at least something reasonably close, it will always have such oddities, both in combat and when flying close formation. Computers today should be powerful enough to accommodate it.

[BIGNEWY]

I have added your track to a report for our AI dev to take a look at,

 

thank you

[71st_Mastiff]

6 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

I have added your track to a report for our AI dev to take a look at,

 

thank you

the BF109K flying backwards when vertical is back again also.

[BIGNEWY]

3 minutes ago, 71st_Mastiff said:

the BF109K flying backwards when vertical is back again also.

Please post in a new thread with a track replay we will take a look

 

Edit: it has not been fixed yet we have a report open already

 

thanks

[Shrimp]

4 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi, 

 

you are lead in the flight, if you pull hard manoeuvres the AI will do their best to keep the close formation, with the simple flight model for the AI this can look odd. 

 

It is best to spread your flight out, or use trail, it is much easier for the AI to keep formation if you are doing very tight turns. 

 

thank you

 

The track has me as Lead.

 

The remaining description occurs with an AI as Lead.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Shrimp
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[BIGNEWY]

Spoken with the team, 

 

You have to consider your wingmen when pulling tight turns, the AI are not going to be able to do acrobatics,

 the best work around currently is to increase the spacing or use trail formation. 

With any AI, no matter how much we tune it there is a limit to what they will be able to do. 

 

thanks

[71st_Mastiff]

2 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Please post in a new thread with a track replay we will take a look

 

Edit: it has not been fixed yet we have a report open already

 

thanks

that's weird it was in one of the update readme fixed listed.

 

a couple of months ago.

[BIGNEWY]

Just now, 71st_Mastiff said:

that's weird it was in one of the update readme fixed listed.

 

a couple of months ago.

maybe I am thinking of something else. Do you have a track replay, if so please make a new post I will be happy to check it. 

 

thanks

[StevanJ]

Can confirm, ive been trying to make a formation flight mission, where you 'follow your lead', but if you go near him he takes off into the air like he's on a bungee, if he was pulling away, id get it. But its like someones hiking the AI up with a string.

Keep an eye on the F15 at the end, As he pushes his nose down, he flies straight and true. then continues to bounce around..
 

 

[StevanJ]

bounce.trk Track, This wasnt the mission, i ended up scrapping it as it couldnt work..
This was just something i made that i know causes the bounce.

The bounce also happens the longer the mission goes on, If im flying in a '4', by the end of the mission, my wingman are all dead from crashing into each other or they are quite literally spinning and bouncing around my cockpit like theyre laser beams. Its that bad.

This was the mission i was trying to recreate 'Following a lead', but it doesnt work as the AI bounces if you get too close. Its as if the AI doesnt see me on his wing, despite him turning his head every two seconds, and gets an 'Altitude!' Warning and pulls up, despite me being on his 4 o'clock in formation..

Edited March 11, 2021 by StevanJ