End of support Windows 7

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

3 hours ago, Northstar said:

 

Fortunately not all devs have this closed view.

CCP have even older software (Eve-online...from 2003) that is still updated to this day and remains Windows 7 compatible.

Rise of flight is another sim of similar age to DCS that is still updated and remains loyal to Windows 7 ... There are plenty of other devs that still support Windows 7 too. I will gladly spend my money with those instead.

I wonder how these devs dont find Windows 7 holding them back?

 

As someone said... Only 3% of users still use Win 7

Whats business in the current climate can afford to turn away 3% of their potential customers?

 

Rise of Flight isn't receiving the level updates that DCS is receiving. In fact, Rise of Flight development has ceased all together.

 

I'm guessing what those devs aren't doing are trying to embrace what 10 has to offer, performance wise. I've seen a marked improvement in performance since the switch to 10. Also, comparing an MMO to a flight sim doesn't seem to be a fair comparison. 

 

And as for that 3%? That assumes that 3% loves Windows 7 more than the games they play. Increasingly, more will require 10 to the exclusion of 7. I was on 7 until about two weeks ago. By all means, stick to 7, but the kind of business that can afford to turn away 3% of their customer base would be a business that can adapt to a pandemic better than most.

 

Software development is one such business. 

[Lurker]

Windows 7 came out 10 years ago. While I can sympathize with those who do not want to make the switch, it is completely unrealistic to expect a continually evolving product like DCS World to keep supporting older system software. Do you want better performance, better graphics, new gameplay and better underlying systems in DCS World? Well all of that is very closely related to the underlying software and APIs as well as the hardware we use. I imagine the biggest reason Windows 7 support is ending is because of Vulcan (or DX12) implementation becoming necessary for DCS World to evolve in the ways I mentioned above. 

[Schmidtfire]

Windows 7? They had to cut support sooner or later. If you MUST cling to this old OS you can still run DCS 2.5.6 or install Win10 on a secondary drive / dual boot and make it dedicated to DCS.

 

I would not step away from DCS + 500$ worth of modules in favour for using an old and unsupported operating system. It makes no sense. Win10 is not perfect, but hardware and software is constantly moving forward with or without you.

[Northstar]

The oh just update to w10 in my case isnt a simple just update....

It needs a motherboard, cpu, memory and gfx card level rebuild... Great... Except at the current time I cannot even buy what I need.

 

ITS NOT THAT I DONT WANT TO SWITCH..... I CANNOT SWITCH.....

 

5 hours ago, Lurker said:

Windows 7 came out 10 years ago. While I can sympathize with those who do not want to make the switch, it is completely unrealistic to expect a continually evolving product like DCS World to keep supporting older system software. Do you want better performance, better graphics, new gameplay and better underlying systems in DCS World? Well all of that is very closely related to the underlying software and APIs as well as the hardware we use. I imagine the biggest reason Windows 7 support is ending is because of Vulcan (or DX12) implementation becoming necessary for DCS World to evolve in the ways I mentioned above. 

 

Ive noticed that people seem to defend whole heatedly the mighty Win10 and bash the old OS ... Ewwww its old... 10 years old yadda yadda yadda..... Bored now of hearing it.

If I could have ran it or even installed it... Dont you think I would have simply and blindly followed the sheep and 'upgraded' to shiteware v10?

 

Win10 is not a good OS... Its in the same league as ME and Vista...

Win10 uptake is only so high because...  They gave it away!

 

I have a long standing history of cutting my own head off to spite my face... Even tho Ive spent a stupid amount of cash on modules... Im not beyond just walking away on principle..

Maybe in a few years... If I mange to get hold of what I need to rebuild (not at scalp prices) I might return.

 

Until then I'll happily uninstall and gain 250+gig of HDD space and play something else and support the devs that go out of their way to support old Win7

[Mars Exulte]

23 minutes ago, Northstar said:

ITS NOT THAT I DONT WANT TO SWITCH..... I CANNOT SWITCH.....

  Good thing your game won't magically stop working and you can continue using older versions until such time as you can.

 

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Dont you think I would have simply and blindly followed the sheep and 'upgraded' to shiteware v10?

  Oooh, so edgy much wow.

 

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Win10 is not a good OS... Its in the same league as ME and Vista...

Win10 uptake is only so high because...  They gave it away!

  Win10 is a reskinned version of 7 for all practical purposes, except for the new browser and the annoying autoupdates. Fortunately you don't have to use Edge and you can disable the autoupdates (highly recommend Pro specifically for this reason)

 

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I have a long standing history of cutting my own head off to spite my face... Even tho Ive spent a stupid amount of cash on modules... Im not beyond just walking away on principle..

  Nice, vidya game principles! People don't have enough of those around here!

 

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Until then I'll happily uninstall and gain 250+gig of HDD space and play something else and support the devs that go out of their way to support old Win7

  Yeah, cause people totally do that longterm. Why, a lot of guys still support Win98! Errr.. well... they did for a while.

 

  You're not committing a sin by keep Win7. Good on ya. But expecting anyone else to care is unreasonable. Also unreasonable is expecting anyone to care if a handful of their most anal retentive customers refuse to abandon a no longer supported, insecure OS.

Edited January 27, 2021 by zhukov032186

[Northstar]

51 minutes ago, zhukov032186 said:

  Good thing your game won't magically stop working and you can continue using older versions until such time as you can.

 

  You're not committing a sin by keep Win7. Good on ya. But expecting anyone else to care is unreasonable. Also unreasonable is expecting anyone to care if a handful of their most anal retentive customers refuse to abandon a no longer supported, insecure OS.

 

Im not happy about it... but Im not the one who chose to end win 7 support at short notice, during a world wide shortage of hardware. So those of us that have been managing on old hardware and win7 suddenly now cannot buy the upgrades we need. Thanks ED.

 

I only play online... DCS offline bores the pants off me. So on the 2.7 release... I might download it just to see how far down the v10 spyware rabbit hole they have gone... I can and do play a fair few Win8.1 game already on my poor old Win7 potato. If it runs it will run bad, but then again its 1.5 core DCS it runs bad on most peoples PC's.

 

As for win7 being insecure..Please. 95% of people that get hacked have their passwords stolen from other sites data breaches or are simply watched as they type their PW in. Not because they are running an outdated OS..

The hackers are no longer interested in win7 anyway. |They are all going for win10.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. 

You killed my OS.

Prepare to die.

[Yurgon]

9 hours ago, Northstar said:

If I could have ran it or even installed it... Dont you think I would have simply and blindly followed the sheep and 'upgraded' to shiteware v10?

 

Is that a trick question? Because it sounds a lot like you wouldn't install Windows 10 even if you could.

 

I've upgraded some fairly old computers from Win 7 to Win 10 about a year ago, as the support for Win 7 ended. Surprisingly, most of them ran a good bit faster after the upgrade, and I'm also surprised how flawless the upgrade went on all of them. Even my dad had upgraded to Win 10 on his own some years ago, and he's not that good with computers.

 

Basically, the hassle with Win 10 is setting it up to respect my privacy (within the bounds that Microsoft allows) and removing some of the bloatware it installs. And setting something other than Edge as the default browser. And removing that ultra stupid "click here to continue to the login screen" splash screen.

 

If your rig is so old that you can't upgrade to Windows 10, I'm actually surprised it can run DCS 2.5.6 sufficiently well in MP.

 

8 hours ago, Northstar said:

The hackers are no longer interested in win7 anyway. |They are all going for win10.

 

Low hanging fruit. Win 7 should be a very easy target by now, and there are still way too many installations connected to the Internet and internal networks. Can you back up the claim that malicious hackers are no longer interested in attacking Windows 7? Because to me that would seem like a pretty stupid move, attacking an auto updating current system, when it's so much easier to attack an old system, which I strongly assume is riddled with known bugs.

[Lurker]

19 hours ago, Northstar said:

 

ITS NOT THAT I DONT WANT TO SWITCH..... I CANNOT SWITCH.....

 

 

 

 

Can you please list your hardware specs? Because Windows 10 will usually work on systems that can already run Windows 7. 

[Schmidtfire]

Is this a borderline troll-topic?

 

I mean... if you cannot switch to Win10 without buying new hardware, how can you run DCS? It is one of the most demanding titles out there. If Win10 is so demanding that your current hardware cannot handle it, keeping at 2.5.6 sounds like the only real option.

[Northstar]

15 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

Can you please list your hardware specs? Because Windows 10 will usually work on systems that can already run Windows 7. 

 

11 hours ago, Schmidtfire said:

Is this a borderline troll-topic?

 

I mean... if you cannot switch to Win10 without buying new hardware, how can you run DCS? It is one of the most demanding titles out there. If Win10 is so demanding that your current hardware cannot handle it, keeping at 2.5.6 sounds like the only real option.

i7-950.

Asus x58 motherboard

24gig ram

GTX970

I can run DCS at low/medium settings and get 40+ fps online. I never play offline, DCS offline is boring, I'd sooner not play

 

When I try to 'upgrade' to  Win10... It gives me a BSoD during the install and the Win10 install cannot continue, it just loops blue screens.

To get Win 10 to install I have to disable both the onboard sound and network cards in the bios... Win10 needs a net connection and I need drivers etc.

After the install. If I enable either card Win10 gives a BSoD during booting.

So no in this case... My Win7 PC cannot work with Win10.

 

 

Im well aware that its old but its been running well so Ive left it.... If its not broke, dont fix it..... Now I cant fix it because most notably, the world wide shortage of gfx cards.

Edited January 29, 2021 by Northstar

[Lurker]

12 hours ago, Northstar said:

 

i7-950.

Asus x58 motherboard

24gig ram

GTX970

I can run DCS at low/medium settings and get 40+ fps online. I never play offline, DCS offline is boring, I'd sooner not play

 

When I try to 'upgrade' to  Win10... It gives me a BSoD during the install and the Win10 install cannot continue, it just loops blue screens.

To get Win 10 to install I have to disable both the onboard sound and network cards in the bios... Win10 needs a net connection and I need drivers etc.

After the install. If I enable either card Win10 gives a BSoD during booting.

So no in this case... My Win7 PC cannot work with Win10.

 

 

Im well aware that its old but its been running well so Ive left it.... If its not broke, dont fix it..... Now I cant fix it because most notably, the world wide shortage of gfx cards.

 

 

A new graphics card will not help you if Windows10 is giving you BSODs on install. According to a quick Google search, that motherboard should be supported in Windows 10, no idea what is going on tere. But check this link: https://www.driverguide.com/driver/download/ASUS-SABERTOOTH-X58 you might be able to fix the issue with a driver or BIOS update. 

 

Edited January 29, 2021 by Lurker

[shagrat]

On 1/27/2021 at 4:51 PM, Northstar said:

The hackers are no longer interested in win7 anyway. |They are all going for win10.

That's a interesting misconception. The Windows Sources are usually sharing a lot of potential bugs and exploits often work on multiple Windows versions. That's why MS decided recently to even fix a very critical issue in Windows XP along with the newer OS versions, despite they didn't have to... Other exploits or maybe less critical are simply ignored... So for hackers any new "fix" documented for Windows 10 could potentially be still exploitable in Windows 7 or XP and if they find a new exploit, chances are good, it works fine for Windows 7, as well.

Your next ransom ware or trojan will not check the Windows version and decide to not exploit a bug, just because Windows 7 is old. It will unanonimously exploit ANY vulnerable system.

Edited January 29, 2021 by shagrat
Typos

[Yurgon]

14 minutes ago, shagrat said:

So for hackers any new "fix" documented for Windows 10 could potentially be still exploitable in Windows 7 or XP

 

Not just that. Hackers who make real money by using exploits might just invest in the Windows 7 update program that is still available to commercial customers (just recently I read how much money our government paid Microsoft to keep their Windows 7 computers up to date in 2020. It was measured in millions of Euros). By looking at what actually gets patched, it should be fairly simple for a good hacker to figure out how to exploit it. Microsoft are basically handing this out on a silver platter, seeing as every other Windows 7 out there remains vulnerable.

Edited January 29, 2021 by Yurgon

[Northstar]

11 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

A new graphics card will not help you if Windows10 is giving you BSODs on install. According to a quick Google search, that motherboard should be supported in Windows 10, no idea what is going on tere. But check this link: https://www.driverguide.com/driver/download/ASUS-SABERTOOTH-X58 you might be able to fix the issue with a driver or BIOS update. 

 

 

I have the most recent BIOS update from ASUS for my Extreme III motherboard..

Im not just looking to buy a GFX card... I was being a lazy typist...

I know I need a rebuild... Ive known this for a while but its been working well for me until now.

A rebuild will also need a GFX card... I can get everything else, cannot buy a new GFX card to complete the build..Is that better???..

Theres still no point in rebuilding without it, as I'd still not reach the min spec.

 

I also hate typing in pointless forums. Id sooner play the game than talk about it.... Hence Ive been here for years and have very few posts.

This will also be my final post so have fun with it... I probably wont be back.

[Worrazen]

If you don't purposelly look for bad things, know what to avoid, and don't make yourself obvious on the web, have good firewalls, router settings, other options and settings, well configured OS and maintained without any bloatware, cheapware, it goes a long way minimizing the risks, this is something average users don't do well and they are being bombarded by the security threat hysteria and update hysteria perpetuated by the industry which stands to gain from this a lot more than a random user could gain.

 

The security threat hysteria in the minds of average users is firstly fueled by a genuine factor of various individuals and teams on the web who do go in depth and are serious about security, however many of that applies more to serious targets and high risk systems such as infrastructure and big deployments, large websites and datacenters, various institutions, all those details in various security blogs do matter and there's nothing wrong with being extra cautious there, a lot of that comes from various linux communities and linux communities are largely populated by actual employees of the enterprise sector, they do have a good reason to take security that seriously. 

 

So this then drip down to other home users and so on, even tho it was never the home users who were the root source of being so security-careful in the first place, such and similar things, secondly, what's targeting average  users/gamers next are ofcourse sneaky advertising campaigns by the very industry or individuals selling various security tools and packages, they have a vested interest in creating the idea you will be infected any time now buuhuuu. It has a much lower chance of happening if you don't do things that invite it in, even if millions do this out of convenience you're not suppose to have autoplay enabled and execute/run/transfer files immediately after you put a friends/unknown USB stick in your main PC, a

 

Infact if you're hacked for real, breached by a real person remotely in actual real-time than the person on  the other side is more than likely well equipped and he's going to throw all his focus onto your systems, that's where all those networking settings/configs come in first and foremost, passwords, and various measures and practices  that are in addition to the file-scanning utilities that only clean things once you're already been infected, all of this is overshadowed because of this popular idea that so much about the security is down to anti-virus or anti-malware scanning software which I don't think is the case.

 

 The actual live hacker attacking your system would also abuse such vulnerabilities that aren't known at large which would mean even if you have all the file-scanning security software installed they may be totally ineffective. Secondly, such serious hackers don't even do much once they breach in, they sit and look, scout around, they don't start making it obvious by installing amateur malware to make it obvious, they gather info and may slowly try to gain more access while remaining stealthy, that's why being educated on networking, analysis and diagnostics is recommended as you can spot such suspicious network activity.

 

It's hard for a home user to really be secure with any of these simple solutions, it's expensive and impractical for most home users to replicate corporate/enterprise systems where security is such a multi-layer setup with (hopefully) live technicians maintaining and watching network activity, if your networking setup is fundamentally bad there's not much any of these updates and file-scanning utilities will do, if you have ports open, no password on router, weak OS passwords, firewall and other misconfigurations, it's like swiss cheese.

 

The third thing fueling this security threat hysteria are the over-exaggerating tech and gaming medias which, you guessed it, have vested interest in creating dramatic news for attracting readers,  and half the time they take unrealistic and edge-case examples that don't have high probability to be relevant to most home users and make a big deal out of it, which freaks out the unsavvy computer users, thus fueling more security threat hysteria.

 

Now ofcourse there is a valid use with file-scanning security utilities and such, but it should always be referred to as one helpful factor, not some solution with some overzealous assurances.

 

Also many other "cleanup, scan, immunize, etc" softwares that are part of security, yes they do help, however they're not doing anything special what a computer technician/administrator/security expert knows how to do himself manually anyway, so it's a choice, pay for potentially overpriced utility to do it, or should I take some time and learn how to do it myself manually and perhaps better?

 

 

 

 

Microsoft also has benefit from this hysteria, because they also have "anti-virus" software boundled with their OS, but they went a step further, they piggybacked on the security threat hysteria to promote their products and services through the update hysteria, which encompasses everything else that's not security related, because they don't necessairly benefit from just the security aspect alone, they have a vested interest to keep as many of their users on the latest versions to promote their products and services and get as many potential customers into their latest offerings, so this kind of update hysteria is used to scare people into updating ASAP, playing largely on the security aspect ofcourse, that you might be hacked any time now if you dare to have your OS outdated by a few days.

 

Is it really about your security, or do you think it's first and foremost more about their control of the market, OS usage statistics, built-in advertising results, users of their built-in services (one drive), and ofcourse a truckload of telemetry data. It'd say it's all that before your security, they nor the security industry don't lose anything if you're hacked, infected or have your files deleted.

Edited February 2, 2021 by Worrazen
reworded some paragraphs feb 3

[Yurgon]

29 minutes ago, Worrazen said:

they are being bombarded by the security threat hysteria and update hysteria

 

That so?

 

The World Wide Web out there is a hostile place. Evildoers basically have to set up a website and wait for people to come by. When people do so in an old and vulnerable webbrowser, they get their computers infected. There's nothing hysteric about it. For instance, it's well documented how hackers have repeatedly used Ad networks to do exactly this, and how they try to reach high Google/Bing rankings in order to draw lots of visitors their way. The smart ones don't infect any client, maybe just one in 10,000 or so, and remain undetected for a long time while still building up sizable botnets.

 

We're not talking about the shady guy from the movies who wants to specifically attack one person. While 0-days are usually fairly expensive or take a lot of work and knowledge to find, the threats that we are facing, and the ones I've been talking about, are people aiming to infect the most computers with the least effort to gain maximum money. These are far from sophisticated attacks, they usually target weaknesses that have been known and fixed for days, weeks, months. And then they're free to do whatever they want; turn computers into a botnet, launch a DDOS against a company to extort money out of them, encrypt the victim's filesystem and offer the key only for ransom money, gather email addresses, personal data and passwords by installing keyloggers, sending out spam, or just rent out botnets and let others have fun with it.

 

Chat programs, e-mail clients, web browsers - these are all tools that are basically on the front line, and should be updated whenever an update is available. Like, right that instant, not an hour or a day later.

 

And then there's the software in the second line, like zip tools, PDF readers, office suites, graphic programs and so on, that attackers can't usually target directly, but if they get users to open a malicious file, that could then exploit vulnerabilities. And of course there's a growing trend to target vulnerabilities in Anti Virus products, which is hilariously brilliant.

But again, there's nothing hysteric about it. I've got a few email addresses, and I guess if I scanned my Inbox it would turn up with lots of malicious files for all kinds of programs (these are files I never opened and I tend to delete such emails, of course).

 

It's a real threat, and our best line of defense is to not be stupid, and to keep our software up to date. That should keep us safe from the vast majority of attacks.

 

If we then get to teach less tech savvy people how not to be stupid, how they can tell an actual invoice from scam and malware, how they can tell a legitimate website from an evil attacker, and that they will be targeted by a multitude of attackers for as long as they use computers, they should be fairly safe, too.

 

If they decide to subscribe to an Anti Virus in order to feel safer, fine with me. I think it doesn't make sense and many Anti Virus tools cause more problems than they solve, but as long as people don't start to act stupid because they rely on Anti Virus to protect them anyway, well, that's okay.

Edited January 29, 2021 by Yurgon

[Worrazen]

My way of looking at it may not always work, ofcourse, there's probably usecases where it may not apply, this rant was more from my viewpoint based from my own needs, I really don't need to avoid some things because I don't look for it in the first place.

 

I looked on someone's computer some time ago to fix a weird windows rare bug that I got like 10 years ago once, and ofcourse there's a ton of garbage and weird stuff on the computer that I just never ever have, so I simply don't get into such a situation, I remember back when I was starting out yes it was similar, but these days I kinda go "what the heck are they doing how do they get things so broken, I use the PC so much, in a much deeper way in some cases, and never come across problems like, so you have to factor the user of the computer a whole lot, I've done PC repair and I've had a taste of all of this, ofcourse things may have changed these days with security, perhaps it has shifted more to other fields like you mentioned, but I still think my rant at least provided some balance to the overal thing.

 

Plus I block such things at the router level with DNSMasq, so even if the browser tried to land on a scam page it would probably block the connection.

 

There is no full proof ofcourse with anything.

[zildac]

Don't feed the trolls.....

[LucShep]

 

On 1/29/2021 at 1:32 AM, Northstar said:

 

i7-950.

Asus x58 motherboard

24gig ram

GTX970

I can run DCS at low/medium settings and get 40+ fps online. I never play offline, DCS offline is boring, I'd sooner not play

 

When I try to 'upgrade' to  Win10... It gives me a BSoD during the install and the Win10 install cannot continue, it just loops blue screens.

To get Win 10 to install I have to disable both the onboard sound and network cards in the bios... Win10 needs a net connection and I need drivers etc.

After the install. If I enable either card Win10 gives a BSoD during booting.

So no in this case... My Win7 PC cannot work with Win10.

 

 

Im well aware that its old but its been running well so Ive left it.... If its not broke, dont fix it..... Now I cant fix it because most notably, the world wide shortage of gfx cards.

 

That's odd.

You must be the rare outliar case, as Win10 comes itself with a huge collection of drivers, even legacy ones, for older systems.

And exactly to ensure least fuss and least conflicts possible (given the huge variety and versions of old drives spreaded on the Web - definitely avoid them if with Win10).

I have to say that's a real shame if so, and I say this as someone who has built Intel X58 platforms nearly a decade and used two untill very recently.

An Asus P6X58D-E and Asus P6T Deluxe, and 4 different CPUs on them, first stock then overclocked (i7 920, X5650, X5660, W3690 - last one  ran at 4.6Ghz 24/7 at some point).

Both systems ran much better with Win10 than with Win7 SP1.

 

In my experience with both X58 systems, installation of Win10 was a breeze.

The only things that were indeed required on either system was to go into BIOS and turn Virtualization OFF, and set in USB options "run as HDD". Save and exit, press F8 to choose boot from USB pen drive (ensure it's on a USB2 port, not on USB3) with latest Win10 install from website (with respective tool), and there it goes... 

 

Installation of Win10 goes and concludes fine, and even Chipset/Controllers/Lan/Sata3+USB3/Realtek drivers, all best/latest versions are already in Win10 (i.e, install and forget!).

Comes with everything ready to go, 100% working for both described X58 systems (heck, even the freaking default Nvidia graphics drivers on it were good for games).

 

BTW, your ASUS X58 Extreme III (is it Rampage III Extreme?) is a good 24/7 overclock motherboard, plus you said it has the latest BIOS.

Pair it with a W3690 (or X5690, or i7 990X, all three are basically same CPU), dozens of them found under 50.00 dollars on ALiExpress.

A huge upgrade from that i7 950. Those are good 6C/12T chips, and allow real easy and safe overclock to 4.3+GHz (any good cooler will do). Then you got a system able to run DCS 2.5 at times better even than plenty modern equivalents, such as the AMD Ryzen 5 2600X (I kid you not, testified as I had one, later sold).

Only two downsides are, 1) they're definitely not the most energy saving chips, and 2) lack of AVX instructions (which only a handfull of games uses anyway).

X58 is the most fun and long lasting platform ever surely, still makes for a decent system able to run good modern GPUs such as GTX1080Ti, RTX2080, Nvidia RTX2070S or AMD RX5700XT without any bottlenecking (in my experience).

 

As for the graphics card upgrade, yeah... these are rough times we live in.

I'd suggest a used GTX1080 from Ebay but, even those, have inflated prices. 

Edited January 30, 2021 by LucShep

[Mizzy]

On 1/27/2021 at 2:24 PM, Northstar said:

The oh just update to w10 in my case isnt a simple just update....

It needs a motherboard, cpu, memory and gfx card level rebuild... Great... Except at the current time I cannot even buy what I need.

 

ITS NOT THAT I DONT WANT TO SWITCH..... I CANNOT SWITCH.....

 

 

Ive noticed that people seem to defend whole heatedly the mighty Win10 and bash the old OS ... Ewwww its old... 10 years old yadda yadda yadda..... Bored now of hearing it.

If I could have ran it or even installed it... Dont you think I would have simply and blindly followed the sheep and 'upgraded' to shiteware v10?

 

Win10 is not a good OS... Its in the same league as ME and Vista...

Win10 uptake is only so high because...  They gave it away!

 

I have a long standing history of cutting my own head off to spite my face... Even tho Ive spent a stupid amount of cash on modules... Im not beyond just walking away on principle..

Maybe in a few years... If I mange to get hold of what I need to rebuild (not at scalp prices) I might return.

 

Until then I'll happily uninstall and gain 250+gig of HDD space and play something else and support the devs that go out of their way to support old Win7

No need to get nasty, it's not DCS or our fault you can't afford upgrades to keep u with DCS. I didn't want to change from W7 because of the bloatware of 10 but I just stripped it down, stopped all unnecessary processes etc and it runs fine. What puzzles me is when you buy a software product that continually develops, didn't you consider that your machine may have to develop with it ?

 

Anyway, you can always still play DCS with your current machine, they are not stopping you, it's just if you want to enjoy the new features, you simply have to upgrade but don't take it out on DCS your problems as if it's their fault. When I bought Flanker 2, it could play on my machine at the time but when LOMAC came out it was too slow and I couldn't buy it until I could upgrade. However DCS doesn't come up with a new product like Flanker and LOMAC every other year, it continually develops but there comes a time when the development needs a new system to continue using it in it's advanced state. How about you think of DCS as two separate products like Flanker and LOMAC, one you can still play on Windows 7 and one you can't !! Just a thought.

 

 

 

[Northstar]

On 2/1/2021 at 8:42 PM, Mizzy said:

No need to get nasty, it's not DCS or our fault you can't afford upgrades to keep u with DCS. I didn't want to change from W7 because of the bloatware of 10 but I just stripped it down, stopped all unnecessary processes etc and it runs fine. What puzzles me is when you buy a software product that continually develops, didn't you consider that your machine may have to develop with it ?

 

Anyway, you can always still play DCS with your current machine, they are not stopping you, it's just if you want to enjoy the new features, you simply have to upgrade but don't take it out on DCS your problems as if it's their fault. When I bought Flanker 2, it could play on my machine at the time but when LOMAC came out it was too slow and I couldn't buy it until I could upgrade. However DCS doesn't come up with a new product like Flanker and LOMAC every other year, it continually develops but there comes a time when the development needs a new system to continue using it in it's advanced state. How about you think of DCS as two separate products like Flanker and LOMAC, one you can still play on Windows 7 and one you can't !! Just a thought.

 

 

 

Im not being nasty.

Affording isnt the problem... Getting ripped off £600+ for a £300 gfx card is.. Ive seen a GTX1080 for sale at £900!!!!!

Cant buy a new card is a problem... Wont buy used again, too many knackered cards or flashed to look like a good card out there.

My current system has been running everything I throw at it acceptably, So I didnt bother looking at upgrades, whats the point in an upgrade if the current PC fulfills the need?

 

That fact that I only play online.. I learn new modules online.. Is a problem. ED's decision to not make their product scalable and back compatible is their doing. Despite selling their early access modules as Win7 compatible. So I wont see the module finished.

Offline is boring AF I'd sooner not play.

 

IL2 in all its variants play fine in Win7

Elite Dangerous plays fine too.

Xplane

Edited February 6, 2021 by Northstar

[Mars Exulte]

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

It sounds like you're just searching for excuses to not upgrade to ten. 

 

"My hardware doesn't work with ten" when it clearly does.
"I encounter installation errors" and I did, too. I had to do some work. It was a PITA, but I did it.

 

These aren't terribly convincing excuses, but there is one. That's "I just don't want to." It's a valid reason, too. But, you still shouldn't expect a developer to bend over backwards for such a small percentile. Especially when there were clear limitations provided by Windows 7. I saw a pretty noteworthy performance increase in my upgrade to 10.

Edited February 7, 2021 by MiG21bisFishbedL

[Worrazen]

I don't have time for details right now but I want to remind Win7 folks you can, if you put the effort in, do a really well configured Win10 that's going to function like Win7 ... although in future Win10 will completely get rid of the old control panel dialogs and WIN32 style settings, so it's a good idea to get cheap licenses now and install now so you can keep chugging along for a few more years until something else comes up.

 

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