Latest fighter aircraft designed trend

[mvsgas]

To change the subject a bit. I was reading an article in Combat Aircraft magazine that there is no immediate plan to add JHMCS or any HMD (Head Mounted Display) to the F-22, maybe in a future upgrade but not in the next 5 to 10 years. Is that a smart choice? AFAIK,a lot of fighters have some form of it HMD, right? Rafale, Euro Fighter Typhoon, F-16, F-15, etc. Does the SU-35 (or any new version for that matter) JAS-39 and J-10 have any HMD. It just does not make since to me if you are trying to have the most advance A2A fighter, why not give it all tools for it. Why not add JHMCS? What could possibly be the reason?

 

Your thoughts?

[Esac_mirmidon]

No needed if you are stealth and the main portion of targets down are in BVR combat.

 

If a formation of F-22 merged in a CAC they are doing something wrong.

[GGTharos]

So far F-22's have defeated JHMCS equipped fighters anyway - keep in mind that you can cue the AIM-9 and 120 using radar - in a turning fight your vertical scan is probably about as far as the missile can be shot with JHMCS anyway.

[mvsgas]

Well, I mean more in terms of the information that the JHMCS gives the pilot, not so much to aim weapons but it does increase the ability and the ease of the pilot to use all his/hers systems. I just don't see why they are pushing so hard to integrated on ever other platform besides the F-22, I find that odd. Even the F-35 has a HMD, well F-35 is more as a requirement since it does not have a HUD. With HMD you would not even had to look inside the pit to see your altitude and speed. Not to mention all the other info that the HMD could give you.

[mikoyan]

I think that the f-22 is getting antiquated compared with the f-35.

I think that if everything goes well with the f-35 it is going to be the f-16 of the future.

[mvsgas]

You really think the F-35 will be the F-16 of the future? I'm assuming you mean all the countries that have bough the F-16 and all the role that is can do, is that what you meant? If so, I'm not sure, to expensive I think the cost of that thing is ballooning very rapidly (Does anyone remember the F-111A and F-111B) and I doubt the US will let to many countries a stealth aircraft. You imagine that, how many countries have the F-16 and relations with each other are tense, imagine if they had stealth aircraft, they may get ideas and start fighting each other because they think they have the advantage.

[eurofor]

Looking at the list of F-16 operators, I think the one most likely to start a war if they had the F-35 is the US...

[mikoyan]

What I'm saying is that the story is repeating itself. A premier air to air fighter is needed because the soviets have a super fighter "mig-25" the f-15 is born to counter it. But the congress finds out that it is too expensive and the f-16, f-20 and f-18 are designed (they are still expensive compared with for example a french mirage 3). Then the soviets design the mig-29, mig-31 and su-27, equalizing the table, so the US produces the f-22 but again the congress thinks that the raptor is too expensive so the US manufactures create the f-35 (which is really expensive too, but a little less than the raptor) And if lockheed wants to still be on top of the market they are going to have to reduce the f-35 price or create a simplified version like they did with the f-16 (for example the venezuelan f-16s)

[mvsgas]

What I'm saying is that the story is repeating itself. A premier air to air fighter is needed because the soviets have a super fighter "mig-25" the f-15 is born to counter it. But the congress finds out that it is too expensive and the f-16, f-20 and f-18 are designed (they are still expensive compared with for example a french mirage 3). Then the soviets design the mig-29, mig-31 and su-27, equalizing the table, so the US produces the f-22 but again the congress thinks that the raptor is too expensive so the US manufactures create the f-35 (which is really expensive too, but a little less than the raptor) And if lockheed wants to still be on top of the market they are going to have to reduce the f-35 price or create a simplified version like they did with the f-16 (for example the venezuelan f-16s)

I get what you are saying, but I see more future to the JAS-39 upgrade version or maybe the Typhoon. I guess time will tell.

[hitman]

Looking at the list of F-16 operators, I think the one most likely to start a war if they had the F-35 is the US...

What makes you say that? I guess Israel (who is surrounded by muslims who wish Israel wiped off the map) wouldnt start a war with Iran anytime soon to keep them from gaining nuke tech...

[Esac_mirmidon]

Dont said muslims, said Arabs.

 

Is like saying that USA is surrounded by catholics trying to wipe they out.

[A.S]

LooooL

 

MY UNCLE HATES THE F-22A!

 

 

My uncle used to be a mechanic on the F-15C eagle. About a year ago he retired and now is a civilian that washes the jets at our afb. I was talking him this week and he hates the raptor. He says its top speed with ab is 1.5 mach. He said its stealth is worst than the F-117. He thinks the F-15 is better. He says we only bought the f22 to give lockheed martin money. He says the air-force lies about everything to do the f22. He doesn't get classified info on the f22, he is not in that program. He only got info on the f15. Where does he come up with this?

 

Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread385238/pg1

[159th_Viper]

"That would be why your uncle only washes the planes"

 

:megalol::megalol:

 

I just tore a Gut-Muscle............

 

:megalol::megalol:

[hitman]

Dont said muslims, said Arabs.

 

Is like saying that USA is surrounded by catholics trying to wipe they out.

Im atheist, and not all arabs are trying to kill israelis...muslims are.

[Esac_mirmidon]

Israel are surrounded by Arab countries.

 

People could be muslim, not countries.

 

And if you are saying that muslims as a whole are trying to kill israelis...well i dont know what to responde but is a very sad affirmation and i am totally in disagree with it.

 

Last post about it because forum rules.

[Kuky]

it so happened that Jewish created a state (Izrael) on land where there was no such country before... this means a state was created on land that used to belong to another coutry... and people... and it happens to be there are mostly Muslims living in the Middle East...

 

I always say everything that goes on on this plannet (and whole universe) obays the laws of Physics and Mathematics... peoples behaviour is in same way (but please don't ask me to explain this and give examples as it would take forever to explain :D ) just in short... every action will result in equal and oposite reaction... same kind of instances (in lesser and different form) happen all over plannet... and all people beave more or less the same when placed in same hard circumstances

 

Anyway... they are just using religion to lure people into their goal... this has been done tons of times throughout history

Edited August 26, 2008 by Kuky

[A.S]

The Ring of Power -- part 1 to 31 enjoy ...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0GloGsOQ2c

 

I think noone is bad in his nature if he is born !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

But you can become very bad if you are used for it.

 

More and more people open eyes, that´s the good part in it.

 

Personally i would love to be guest in every culture and tradition and would also love to invite all as my guests.

[Teknetinium]

I would assume that conventional design could take more damage then delta wing.

Because conventional design has more control-surfaces, whit FBW-system missing parts off the strocture could be compensated white other control surfaces.

Take the Judish F-15(joke hitman 214th) as example, with elevators still attached to the plain made it possible to land, would not think Delta could do that whit out pretty big canards.

Edited August 26, 2008 by Teknetium

[nscode]

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The ad is from one of the leading mathematics software developers :)

[hitman]

Israel are surrounded by Arab countries.

 

People could be muslim, not countries.

 

And if you are saying that muslims as a whole are trying to kill israelis...well i dont know what to responde but is a very sad affirmation and i am totally in disagree with it.

 

Last post about it because forum rules.

There are arab christians, and there are arab muslims. You dont see or hear about arab christians (the smallest minority)vying to conquer Israel, do you? These countries are by far and wide on the vast majority "muslim" nations, presided over muslim leaders. I dont understand how the US can be considered a warmonger when you have all these people doing this and doing that. You can disagree with it, but its still how it is. As it is, I dont really care what happens over there.

[hitman]

I would assume that conventional design could take more damage then delta wing.

Because conventional design has more control-surfaces, whit FBW-system missing parts off the strocture could be compensated white other control surfaces.

Take the Judish F-15(joke hitman 214th) as example, with elevators still attached to the plain made it possible to land, would not think Delta could do that whit out pretty big canards.

Delta wing designs are considered to be the most advanced type of wing design with the large surface area and the ability to pass supersonic boundries with ease. You can hit any aircraft in a vital area and call it a kill...whether it would be the elevators/ailerons on a delta wing, or the elevators on an F-15. If you dont have lateral control over an aircraft, theres only one direction your going.

[RedTiger]

IBTL

 

Hi mom! :D

[mvsgas]

So... How about all this crazy new aircraft designs ha?

Has anyone seen any photos of a SU-35 HMD? Is it going to have a HMD?

 

I was thinking, we have the SU-35, MIG-35 and F-35, is this a trend on itself?

[mvsgas]

VIPERSPIKE posted this in Global Falcon website

 

Is a video about the F-35 DAS, I wander how much of it is advertising their product and how much is actual capabilities available.

http://www.es.northropgrumman.com/solutions/f35targeting/assets/eodasvideo.html

[59th_LeFty]

I would assume that conventional design could take more damage then delta wing.

Because conventional design has more control-surfaces, whit FBW-system missing parts off the strocture could be compensated white other control surfaces.

Take the Judish F-15(joke hitman 214th) as example, with elevators still attached to the plain made it possible to land, would not think Delta could do that whit out pretty big canards.

 

Dude, that idea.....

 

Imagine an F-15 with DELTA wings. OMG, how fast would it be? 4Mach? :D