reported Petrovic does not track helicopters when they fly

[cha5er]

Petrovic is able to see flying helicopters, but if you set them as target, he locks steady to the point as they were, at the lock moment, he does not track them.

clear, shturm`s are air2ground, but AI Helis like Mi28 shoot me down with shturms as well... so i thought this should possibly work as well

 

petrovic does not track moving helis.trk

Edited June 30, 2021 by cha5er
Added Trk. File

[NineLine]

Thanks for the report, can you please include a short track of what you are experiencing please?

[cha5er]

hi nineline, i`ve now a simple trackfile added..

hope it helps

 

[NineLine]

thanks will take a look

[NineLine]

It makes sense that Petrovich wouldn't waste a weapon in a scenario it wasnt meant for, but maybe with enough demand we can ask for a override or something.

[Alleluia]

The ai apache fire hellfire at us.

 

It will be fine for us to do the same.

Edited July 5, 2021 by Alleluia
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[NineLine]

The AI in the apache might not be as advanced as in this case, but its worth a thought about an option.

[Fenin]

I don't know about the Apache with her hellfires but the Mi-24V will actively attempt to fire its atgms at even fast movers that approach it.  I've seen it take atgm pot shots at Mirage 2000s that were trying to make gun runs on them in the past.  Alternatively, I think this is entirely possible to do with a human at the controls, especially against an unaware foe, it would likely be downright easy.  

 

As for 'wasting' a weapon, I'd hardly call it that by any means.  ATGMs are how many ground units attempt to engage helos, it's an entirely usable approach.  Alongside that though, I've read (admittedly anecdotal) evidence of observers using their sighting system to look for airspace intruders and if they could track them in that situation would it truly be a large stretch to do so while guiding a shturm?

[NineLine]

Well I mean if we want to go that route, I am ok with seeing any evidence that would suggest these weapons would be used in such a case, either by pilot notes, or official procedures. 

[Fenin]

3 hours ago, NineLine said:

Well I mean if we want to go that route, I am ok with seeing any evidence that would suggest these weapons would be used in such a case, either by pilot notes, or official procedures. 

If I find anything solid I will certainly pass it along, as I said best I have is anecdotal. Though, I will be sure to practice it from the observer seat whether it was done or not. 

[Nickkerkwijk]

18 hours ago, NineLine said:

Well I mean if we want to go that route, I am ok with seeing any evidence that would suggest these weapons would be used in such a case, either by pilot notes, or official procedures. 

There is a video on YT where they use Vikhr missiles to shoot down slow moving air targets. I know the vikhr is an much more advanced missile, but if you are attacked by lets say an A10 or Su25 (or even a KA50) it would be nice to have a fighting chance against them. 

The YT vid:

 

[Lascar12F]

On 7/9/2021 at 9:00 PM, NineLine said:

Well I mean if we want to go that route, I am ok with seeing any evidence that would suggest these weapons would be used in such a case, either by pilot notes, or official procedures. 

 I mean the 9M120 ataka has an air-air proximity fused variant. That would indicate to me a certain willingness to shoot down at least helicopters.

@NineLine

Also, I've joined a picture of the manual for the export version of the Mi-24P, the Mi-35P, which is virtually identical, and it explicitly states that killing air targets is one of it's missions, and later in Book 2 section 6 describes guiding a missile towards airborne targets. Find pages 6-5 and 6-6 attached.

 

Really hope this gets the "correct as-is" tag removed, and this implemented !

Edited July 15, 2021 by Lascar12F

[Lascar12F]

@NineLine

I added the document you requested in my post above

Edited July 16, 2021 by Lascar12F

[Lascar12F]

@BIGNEWY @NineLine still no answer, when i've provided the documents you requested. Can we get an answer or what ??

[26-J39]

Surely, Petrovich should be capable of locking up air threats like helos.  Come on ED.

[Nickkerkwijk]

There is an (MI-24) Ataka missile video on youtube where they explain the uses of the missile. Air to air use is also 1 of the aspects of the Ataka so i think Petrovic should be able to target helos

Edited July 19, 2021 by Nickkerkwijk

[gabuzomeu]

and when you ask your wingman with mi-24p to attack an helo bandit, he goes on and scores with an ataka. (Try in mission Georgian column - https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/fr/files/3317043/)

[HC_Official]

On 7/18/2021 at 12:20 AM, Lascar12F said:

@BIGNEWY @NineLine still no answer, when i've provided the documents you requested. Can we get an answer or what ??

It will probably take some time for  @BIGNEWY @NineLine to read thru that information and get it forwarded to the correct people

[BIGNEWY]

reported for improvement, when I have some news I will pass it on.

 

thanks