Russia's new Sukhoi when?

[killkenny1]

4 hours ago, TLTeo said:

The Phantom, Me-262 and AH-1 were also confirmed to be in development. Again, plans change, get used to it.

 

...not to mention...

drum roll in anticipation to drop the diggest bomb

...F-4...

Edited July 21, 2021 by killkenny1

[lester]

6 hours ago, TLTeo said:

The Phantom, Me-262 and AH-1 were also confirmed to be in development. Again, plans change, get used to it.

 

Aight, everything is subject to change in this world.

 

All these aircraft you mentioned have different background AFAIK:

- Phantom (and AH-1 I guess?) were announced by Belsimtek which was absorbed by ED later and it might have affected priorities (with ED having Hornet and then Viper / Hind and now Apache in the active development)

- Me-262 was part of the old Kickstarter project ED had some relation to, again it's probably priority-related

 

Also IIRC all of them were suspended, not officially cancelled:

 

But tell me why should I expect project announced by the ED COO to be halted *by default*? Why should I think about these particular aircraft and not about Hornet, Viper, Hind, Thunderbolt etc?

 

Also there's a subtle difference between "rumor"/"nowhere near confirmed" and "announced"/"confirmed" (but subject to delays, changes etc), don't you think?

Edited July 21, 2021 by lester

[Dragon1-1]

Black Shark 3 was never canceled, just had some features cut. In fact, that should lead to it being released earlier.  No such problem with the MiG-29. 

 

TBH, I'd rather have a MiG-29 than The Flying iPad: Russian Edition. It looks meh, will likely fly meh (hard to believe that configuration would be any good in a dogfight) and while it might work OK on a modern battlefield, I just don't see it being particularly fun in a sim. Although, I suppose those planes would be a good start for home cockpit builders - just chuck in one of those huge tablets, a few switches, a stick and a throttle, and you're good.  

[Qiou87]

19 hours ago, lester said:

Also there's a subtle difference between "rumor"/"nowhere near confirmed" and "announced"/"confirmed" (but subject to delays, changes etc), don't you think?

I don't, personnally, consider the Mig-29 as an officially confirmed module: it was not published in the DCS newsletter, on the website, or in an official ED promotional video. This is, to me, the big difference between an announcement (like AH-64, with an estimated date of arrival, etc.) and a "yeah, this is one of our projects, we will try to do it" -> which can sometimes translate to nothing if they encounter a roadblock, legal or otherwise. This is not against ED, anyone in any field of work can have an unexpected thing that kills a project before it is finished, or maybe just puts it in the freezer until conditions change.

 

Now back to the topic of this post, because this is not a topic called "ED please make the Mig-29" even if we railroaded it. The Su-75 Checkmate, which this topic is about (at least that's my assumption) is a prototype design shown as a mockup, something that doesn't fly and is not finished (UAC said so: first flight 2023, so they need approx. 2 more years before it is advanced enough to fly). It is also more of a marketing campaign than just a defence project: they publish everything about it in english to find customers to help make it a reality.

 

In terms of DCS module potential, this is both good and bad : good because a plane developed for export has probably more chances to be made available in DCS than a top-secret project like Su-57. The Su-75 is not going to be the backbone of the Russian defence, as far as I can tell. It is a bit similar, in a way, to the JF-17 program that China developed for Pakistan and that we are able to have in DCS World.

The bad: well the jet is not flying, I think UAC gave a rough date of 2026 for operational use. Even if this schedule is somehow kept (show me a military program on time), and some developer gets all the info needed for a module, we will be in the 2030s.

 

Fine by me, I prefer older cockpits. I'm extremely excited for the Mig-29, if and when ED makes it a reality. As a plane enthousiast, I think Russian jets are awesome. Like @Dragon1-1 says, very very modern jets are less fun in the sim we have right now.

Edited July 22, 2021 by Qiou87

[IkarusC42B Pilot]

On 7/22/2021 at 3:41 PM, Qiou87 said:

I don't, personnally, consider the Mig-29 as an officially confirmed module

 

....aperantly saying the work will start on it after bs3 dosent mean confirmed....

[Mars Exulte]

Su-75... Su-57. I just noticed they swapped the numbers.

 

''Privyet, tovarish! No like glorious S U 5 7? Is no problem! We have new special friend deal for you, more better plane we call S U 7 5! Chto? No, it just coincidence number flipped. Is all new and more better, I swear by Stalin's kidney stones!''

Edited July 24, 2021 by Mars Exulte

[Qiou87]

4 hours ago, IkarusC42B Pilot said:

....aperantly saying the work will start on it after bs3 dosent mean confirmed....

Companies work on many projects. Many of them never become commercial products. I don't understand how, given the history of all modules that were teased/announced/etc. and never actually sold, you can think otherwise. But hey, maybe you are just a candid optimist, and I respect that. We actually need more optimists.

 

To become confirmed, a module has to be far enough along its development that the developer is 100% that they will sell it so they will officially announce it. This hasn't happened yet for Mig-29A. Otherwise, it is just a project, not a confirmed module. Yes, Mig-29A is going to be a project for ED. Will it become a module? We cannot be sure just yet (but I hope it will!).

Edited July 24, 2021 by Qiou87

[IkarusC42B Pilot]

On 7/24/2021 at 2:25 PM, Qiou87 said:

Companies work on many projects. Many of them never become commercial products. I don't understand how, given the history of all modules that were teased/announced/etc. and never actually sold, you can think otherwise. But hey, maybe you are just a candid optimist, and I respect that. We actually need more optimists.

 

To become confirmed, a module has to be far enough along its development that the developer is 100% that they will sell it so they will officially announce it. This hasn't happened yet for Mig-29A. Otherwise, it is just a project, not a confirmed module. Yes, Mig-29A is going to be a project for ED. Will it become a module? We cannot be sure just yet (but I hope it will!).

 

From Kate on the russian discord channel...

Edited July 26, 2021 by IkarusC42B Pilot

[Qiou87]

We are in essence, saying the same thing, except you just don't want to understand how the world works somehow. If ED starts a project, doesn't mean they finish it. If I start a marathon tomorrow, does it automatically mean that I will finish it?

 

Just because ED starts this project, doesn't mean it will one day be finished and released. Sooo many game projects have been started, changed, rebooted, shelved, restarted again, modified... There is a difference between starting a development and releasing a finished product. This is where our opinions seem to diverge.

Edited July 26, 2021 by Qiou87

[IkarusC42B Pilot]

Other games have no relevancy with dcs.

Also you said mig 29 is not confirmed and i showes you that it is

[nessuno0505]

Maybe it's the wrong forum section, this should be posted in "military and aviation related content".

Thus said, we already have M2000c and F-14A, early 4th gen; so a Mig-29A could really give us the first historically accurate content blue vs reds (I know we already have f-5 and mig-21, but this would be a bit different).

I think the most modern thing we should expect to have in DCS in the next 10 years  could not be later than an F117A, given but not granted ED can simulate low radar observability in some way.

[killkenny1]

On 7/26/2021 at 4:43 PM, IkarusC42B Pilot said:

Other games have no relevancy with dcs.

Also you said mig 29 is not confirmed and i showes you that it is

 

Straight from "horse's mouth"

 

1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said:

We have mentioned in the past we would like to do the Mig-29 but we can not confirm it yet, we remain hopeful.

[BIGNEWY]

When we have news to share about the Mig-29 we will, we will confirm it in a newsletter as we do with all of our other products. 

 

thanks

[upyr1]

[AvgeekJoe]

8 hours ago, upyr1 said:

 

Unless some Russian laws change; the only way we're going to see this side of 2030 a Su-75 Checkmate in DCS World is a community mod.  I expect many critical Su-35 + Su-57 systems crammed into that 2021 attempt to resurrect the Mig-21...

Edited July 31, 2021 by AvgeekJoe

[upyr1]

7 hours ago, AvgeekJoe said:

 

Unless some Russian laws change; the only way we're going to see this side of 2030 a Su-75 Checkmate in DCS World is a community mod.  I expect many critical Su-35 + Su-57 systems crammed into that 2021 attempt to resurrect the Mig-21...

 

That's the case with with any post Soviet Russian plane. 

[IcedVenom]

13 hours ago, AvgeekJoe said:

 

Unless some Russian laws change; the only way we're going to see this side of 2030 a Su-75 Checkmate in DCS World is a community mod.  I expect many critical Su-35 + Su-57 systems crammed into that 2021 attempt to resurrect the Mig-21...

 

I know, it was just a joke post but it's funny how BIGNEWY had to come in and talk about their MiG-29 from what ensued lol