We need more carrier-based aircraft

[WobblyFlops]

I think it's safe to conclude that we'll never get obscure Korean era jets with barely any matching assets in the game like the Douglas Skyknight, the Banshee or the Demon. You also seem to have a strangely narrow definition of Cold War, you perhaps mean Korean war? If a new developer is interested in the 60s or earlier, they will most likely work on the Century Series lineup first because they are way more popular and requested than these fairly obscure jets.

[upyr1]

Just now, WobblyFlops said:

I think it's safe to conclude that we'll never get obscure Korean era jets with barely any matching assets in the game like the Douglas Skyknight, the Banshee or the Demon. You also seem to have a strangely narrow definition of Cold War, you perhaps mean Korean war? If a new developer is interested in the 60s or earlier, they will most likely work on the Century Series lineup first because they are way more popular and requested than these fairly obscure jets.

Except the F-110 none of the century fighters would fit in this thread. Though the F2H and F9F would.  We need more Korean era assets

[WobblyFlops]

Just now, upyr1 said:

Except the F-110 none of the century fighters would fit in this thread.

Exactly, and developers are still much more likely to make a century series fighter than an Banshee because they are much more marketable. Which means none of this is likely to happen. The issue is that the thread isn't truly about Cold War era Navy jets (because we'll get a ton of that, a lot is already in the pipeline) but it's specifically aimed at Korean era aircraft. I definitely agree that Korean era assets are needed to actually make this work, you'd need appropriate ground units, tankers, support aircraft, even an accurate carrier. 

[Silver_Dragon]

2 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

Except the F-110 none of the century fighters would fit in this thread. Though the F2H and F9F would.  We need more Korean era assets

 

F-110 has the early name on the F-4, never used that name on service.

[upyr1]

10 hours ago, IcedVenom said:

As much as it's nice to have some of those coming, I was envisioning something a tad bit older or not American. Since we can't get an A-4 due to the mod, my top choice would have been the carrier-based F3H

F3H I thought you didn't care for ugly planes. Seriously though when you see a thread like "we need more carrier" planes you'll get people posting their favorites. I get the F3H is up there for you. I'd love the A-2 Skywarrior, even if it is just an AI asset. I'd also like the B-66 as an AI asset. For flyable assets I'd like the Zero, super etendard. Buckaneer, Sea Harrier, F-4 Phantom II (at least one for USAF, USN/MC, RN and RAF though). The Yak-38 and while a flyable MiG-29K is probably not possible can we get an AI one?

[upyr1]

Just now, Silver_Dragon said:

 

F-110 has the early name on the F-4, never used that name on service.

I know that's my point as @WobblyFlops stated 

18 minutes ago, WobblyFlops said:

 If a new developer is interested in the 60s or earlier, they will most likely work on the Century Series lineup first because they are way more popular and requested than these fairly obscure jets.

and the F-110 is what the USAF would have called the Phantom II under the old designation system. The F-110 designation was recycled for the MiG-21 during Constant Peg

[upyr1]

7 minutes ago, WobblyFlops said:

Exactly, and developers are still much more likely to make a century series fighter than an Banshee because they are much more marketable. Which means none of this is likely to happen. The issue is that the thread isn't truly about Cold War era Navy jets (because we'll get a ton of that, a lot is already in the pipeline) but it's specifically aimed at Korean era aircraft. I definitely agree that Korean era assets are needed to actually make this work, you'd need appropriate ground units, tankers, support aircraft, even an accurate carrier. 

I wouldn't consider the F3H to be a Korean war era fighter as it didn't enter service until 1956, and by 1958 the replacement was already being tested. It never saw combat so it's down there on anyone's to do list. If I could have any of the earlier McDonnel fighters it would be the FH or F2H but we would need more period assets first.  As I keep stating for the Korean war all we have are the F-51, F-86, MIG-15 and the left over WWII blufor assets. We need an SCB-27 Essex or comparable Midway along with some period cruisers and destroyers. Some Redfor WWII assets and  Korean war specific assets for both sides.  As we have the Caucus map, I think Early cold war Soviet Naval assets would be nice too.  

[bies]

A-7E on Cold War scenarios and servers is going to be mighty. When most of other aircrafts are going to attack visually with dumb bombs and unguided rockets using very basic aids - A-7E will have HUD with CCIP guiding precisely even GP bombs and using very early guided weapon like Walleye or Maverick and Vulcan gun for strafing.

Edited August 25, 2021 by bies

[Silver_Dragon]

5 minutes ago, bies said:

A-7E on Cold War scenarios and servers is going to be mighty. When most of other aircrafts are going to attack visually with dumb bombs and unguided rockets using very basic aids when A-7E will have HUD with CCIP guiding precisely even GP bombs and using very early guided weapon like Walleye or Maverick.

 

A-7E has building by Flying Iron Simulations 3rd Party.

 

[ju8712124822]

zero is good

and we have F4U In future.

Pacific theater is would let dcs ww2 much different then another ww2 flight sims.

Edited August 25, 2021 by ju8712124822

[upyr1]

4 minutes ago, ju8712124822 said:

zero is good

and we have F4U In future.

Pacific theater is would let dcs ww2 much different then another ww2 flight sims.

 

If I understand Eagle's plans there will be a WWII Marianas map in the future, and what you get will depend on the date.

[Silver_Dragon]

28 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

I wouldn't consider the F3H to be a Korean war era fighter as it didn't enter service until 1956, and by 1958 the replacement was already being tested. It never saw combat so it's down there on anyone's to do list. If I could have any of the earlier McDonnel fighters it would be the FH or F2H but we would need more period assets first.  As I keep stating for the Korean war all we have are the F-51, F-86, MIG-15 and the left over WWII blufor assets. We need an SCB-27 Essex or comparable Midway along with some period cruisers and destroyers. Some Redfor WWII assets and  Korean war specific assets for both sides.  As we have the Caucus map, I think Early cold war Soviet Naval assets would be nice too.  

 

Korean War aircrafts are
UN forces.

AD Skyraiders

AF Guardian

AJ Savage

AT-6 Texan

B-26 Invader

 

B-29 Superfortress

Bell model 47

C-45 Expeditor

C-46 Comando

C-47/C-53 Skytrain
C-54 Skymaster

C-69 Constellation

C-119 Flying Boxcar

C-124 Globemaster II

C-131 Samaritan

DH.100 Vampire

Fairy Firefly FR.1s

F3H Banshee

F3F-2 Skynight

F4U-4/4B//5P/5N Corsair

F7F Tigercat

F9F-2B/3/5 Phanter

F9F-6 Cougar

F-51D Mustang

F-80C Shoothing Star

F-82F/G Twin Mustang

F-84D/E Thunderjet

F-86A/E/F Sabre

F-94B Starfire

Gloster Meteor

H-13 Sioux

H-19

H-25

Hawker Sea Fury

HU-16 Albatros

L-5 Albatros
P2V-3/3C Neptune

PB4Y-2

RB/SB-17G

RB-29
RB-45C

RB-47E

RB-50G

RF-51D
RF-80A

RF-86A/F

O-1 Big Dog

OH-23 Raven

S-51

Supermarine Seafire FR.47s

 

Red side (NK, URRS, China).
A-20

AN-2

IL-10

La-9

La-11

Mig-15Bis

Mig-17

Yak-9P

Po-2

Tu-2
Yak-9
Yak-18

About carriers and ships

UN Ships

Allen M. Sumner-class destroyer

Andromeda-class attack cargo ship

Arcturus-class attack cargo ship

Ashland-class dock landing ship

Auk-class minesweeper

Auxiliary motor minesweepers

Balao class submarine

Baltimore class heavy cruiser

Battle class destroyer

Bay class frigate

Bayfield-class attack transport

Black Swan-class sloop

Buckley-class destroyer escort

C-class destroyer

Casa Grande-class dock landing ship

Clivelant class light cruiser

Colosus class carrier

Commencement Bay-class escort carrier
Crosley-class high speed transport
Essex Class carrier SCB-27

Fletcher class destroyer

Fiji Class cruiser

Gato class submarine

Gearing class destroyer

Gleaves-class destroyer

Haskell-class attack transport

Independence Class carrier

Iowa Class Battleship

Iwo Jima Class Landing Port Helicopter 

John C. Butler-class destroyer escort

Juneau-class light cruiser

LCVP
LSM(R)-401-class Landing Ship Medium (Rocket)

Majestic class Carrier

Mount McKinley class command ships

Oregon City Class Heavy cruiser

Unicorn class light carrier

Tacoma class frigate

Tench class submarine

Tolland-class attack cargo ship

Town Cruiser

Tribal class destroyer

V-class destroyer

Worcester class light cruiser

 

 

[IcedVenom]

8 hours ago, Tank50us said:

 

Yeah, funny thing about that, just because an aircraft isn't wining a beauty pageant in this life or the next doesn't mean it's not effective. Honestly, of all the aircraft of the Cold-War era, only the Phantom is going to have a chance of that when it's compared to the more modern jets, but again, that doesn't mean they weren't effective at what they were designed to do. (The Cutlass being an exception to that).

 

My point to all of this, is that we're getting more Carrier Based Aircraft, it's just that it takes a long time to actually make them from scratch. This isn't FSX or FS2020 where you can just buy a model off of Turbosquid and throw it into the game and make money off of it. ED is very much against that practice, and pushes the 3rd Party Devs to make all of the assets from scratch. The only areas where they can 'borrow' from DCS are weapon coding, radar coding, and some, I repeat, some systems coding. Other than that, they give you a foundation from which to build, and it's up to you to build it. If you want these planes in, and you can form a team to build them, I highly suggest you do so. Because the only other way we're getting them all is in FC3 Style, and too many people whine and moan about that for ED to want to make more of FC3 style planes.

Carrier (BASED) Aircraft

[IcedVenom]

7 hours ago, WobblyFlops said:

Exactly, and developers are still much more likely to make a century series fighter than an Banshee because they are much more marketable. Which means none of this is likely to happen. The issue is that the thread isn't truly about Cold War era Navy jets (because we'll get a ton of that, a lot is already in the pipeline) but it's specifically aimed at Korean era aircraft. I definitely agree that Korean era assets are needed to actually make this work, you'd need appropriate ground units, tankers, support aircraft, even an accurate carrier. 

I'm actually okay with however this chat ends up. Yes I was referring to Korean War but I don't mind from whichever era we get jets. Even carrier-based props are fine. Still don't think we need a Zero but it would be nice to get stuff like Seafires, Sea Fury, F8F and maybe even N1K2-J. I still wish we could get Sea Venom and Sea Hawk though. More modern stuff would be nice too and I'm glad we have what we do when it comes to F-14 and Hornet, but I would rather purchase the F-8 Crusader and A-6 Intruder when they come out, and I'm not even big on American aviation but those are just too cool. 

[upyr1]

5 hours ago, IcedVenom said:

Still don't think we need a Zero

We have the Marianas and if I understand ED's plans the map will be set up so that if you change the date to 1944 you get the World War II map. We also have the F4U planned. The Zero is one of the few Japanese aircraft which we might be able to get.  So let's recap- with the Zero we have PVP dogfights over the Pacific with a period opfor  It would be like having the Normandy or Channel map and the Spitfire and no ME-109 or FW-190

Edited August 26, 2021 by upyr1

[upyr1]

9 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

 

Korean War aircrafts are
UN forces.

F-51D Mustang

F-86A/E/F Sabre

The only ones we got

 

9 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

 

AF Guardian

AJ Savage

AT-6 Texan

B-26 Invader

AD Skyraiders

We need a flyable A-1 and A26

 

9 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

B-29 Superfortress

Bell model 47

(starts singing suicide is painless)

 

9 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

C-45 Expeditor

C-46 Comando

C-47/C-53 Skytrain
C-54 Skymaster

C-69 Constellation

C-119 Flying Boxcar

C-124 Globemaster II

C-131 Samaritan

DH.100 Vampire

Fairy Firefly FR.1s

F3F-2 Skynight

F4U-4/4B//5P/5N Corsair

We got the F4U in the works

 

9 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

F2H Banshee

The Banshee would be cool

 

9 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

F7F Tigercat

F9F-2B/3/5 Panther

 

  but so is the Panther

9 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

F9F-6 Cougar

 

F-80C Shoothing Star

F-82F/G Twin Mustang

F-84D/E Thunderjet

 

 

9 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

F-94B Starfire

Gloster Meteor

H-13 Sioux

H-19

H-25

Hawker Sea Fury

HU-16 Albatros

L-5 Albatros
P2V-3/3C Neptune

PB4Y-2

RB/SB-17G

RB-29
RB-45C

RB-47E

RB-50G

RF-51D
RF-80A

RF-86A/F

O-1 Big Dog

OH-23 Raven

S-51

Supermarine Seafire FR.47s

 

Red side (NK, URRS, China).
A-20

the A-20 would be a good module 

 

9 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

AN-2

IL-10

La-9

La-11

Mig-15Bis

Mig-17

Yak-9P

Po-2

Tu-2
Yak-9
Yak-18

 

I think the Yak-9 would be a good edition same with the IL-10 especially if that can be packaged with an IL-2 

 

9 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

About carriers and ships

UN Ships

Allen M. Sumner-class destroyer

Andromeda-class attack cargo ship

Arcturus-class attack cargo ship

Ashland-class dock landing ship

Auk-class minesweeper

Auxiliary motor minesweepers

Balao class submarine

Baltimore class heavy cruiser

Battle class destroyer

Bay class frigate

Bayfield-class attack transport

Black Swan-class sloop

Buckley-class destroyer escort

C-class destroyer

Casa Grande-class dock landing ship

Clivelant class light cruiser

Colosus class carrier

Commencement Bay-class escort carrier
Crosley-class high speed transport
Essex Class carrier SCB-27

Fletcher class destroyer

Fiji Class cruiser

Gato class submarine

Gearing class destroyer

Gleaves-class destroyer

Haskell-class attack transport

Independence Class carrier

Iowa Class Battleship

Iwo Jima Class Landing Port Helicopter 

John C. Butler-class destroyer escort

Juneau-class light cruiser

LCVP
LSM(R)-401-class Landing Ship Medium (Rocket)

Majestic class Carrier

Mount McKinley class command ships

Oregon City Class Heavy cruiser

Unicorn class light carrier

Tacoma class frigate

Tench class submarine

Tolland-class attack cargo ship

Town Cruiser

Tribal class destroyer

V-class destroyer

Worcester class light cruiser

 

 

I'd also toss in ground assets for this list  and it would be a great Korean war wish list of both flyable and ai assets 

[IcedVenom]

2 hours ago, upyr1 said:

We have the Marianas and if I understand ED's plans the map will be set up so that if you change the date to 1944 you get the World War II map. We also have the F4U planned. The Zero is one of the few Japanese aircraft which we might be able to get.  So let's recap- with the Zero we have PVP dogfights over the Pacific with a period opfor  It would be like having the Normandy or Channel map and the Spitfire and no ME-109 or FW-190

 

If we miraculously somehow get a Zero in DCS, PvP would be completely one-sided.

[Nealius]

8 minutes ago, IcedVenom said:

If we miraculously somehow get a Zero in DCS, PvP would be completely one-sided.

 

For people playing lone wolf with zero concept of teamwork or communication, yes. You also have to remember that in the late '40s Japan's quality of pilots was exteremly poor. Unlike the US, Japan did not rotate their best pilots out of combat to train new pilots, and thus they were all killed in combat. Poorly trained pilots will make a good airplane perform like shite. 

Edited August 26, 2021 by Nealius

[upyr1]

Just now, IcedVenom said:

If we miraculously somehow get a Zero in DCS, PvP would be completely one-sided.

No it wouldn't be. The only reason that the Marianas Turkey shoot was so one sided, was because the good Japanese Aviators were dead and the American Aviators were battle hardened veterans.  The ideal version IMHO would be the A6M5 Type 0 Model 52 if possible. So there is really no reason not to have the Zero as it would allow for P V P Pacific battles

[Evoman]

Here is a nice little history lesson of why the war in the pacific was infamous. And why the mighty F6F Hellcat was big deal back then against the Zero.

 

 

Edited August 26, 2021 by Evoman

[upyr1]

57 minutes ago, Evoman said:

Here is a nice little history lesson of why the war in the pacific was infamous. And why the mighty F6F Hellcat was big deal back then against the Zero.

 

 

 

Eagle CEO Nick Grey's favorite plane. The zeke vs hellcat and corsair would be awesome

Edited August 26, 2021 by upyr1

[Silver_Dragon]

8 hours ago, upyr1 said:

I'd also toss in ground assets for this list  and it would be a great Korean war wish list of both flyable and ai assets 

 

Over ground assets:

Vehicles:

UN

AEC Armoured Car
Alvis Saladin
Daimler Scout Car (Also known as Daimler Dingo armored car)
Dodge M37

LVT 3C Amphibious APC

M3A2 Half-track armored personnel carrier

M7B1 and M7B2 105 mm Priest howitzer motor carriage

M8 Greyhound armored car

M15A1 Halftrack

M16 Multiple Gun Motor Carriage
M19 Gun Motor Carriage

M20 Armored Utility Car
M29C Weasel supply carrier
M37 105 mm Howitzer Motor Carriage
M39 Armored Utility Vehicle
M39 Armored Utility Vehicle
M40 155 mm Gun motor carriage
M41 155 mm Gorilla howitzer motor carriage
M43 203 mm Howitzer motor carriage
Morris C8

Willys MB (Also known as Jeep)

Willys M38
Universal Carrier
 

Red Side

GAZ-67

BA-64 Armored Car

BTR-40 APC

Su-76

Tanks

UN

A22 Churchill infantry tank

A27M Cromwell tank cruiser

A34 Comet tank cruiser

A41 Centurion Mark III tank cruiser

LVT A5 Amphibious Tank

M4 Sherman

M4A3 Sherman

M4A3 Bulldozer Tank

M4A3E8 Sherman

M4A3R3 Sherman Flame Tank

M10 Achilles

M18 Hellcat
M24 Chaffee
M26 Pershing

M36 tank destroyer

M42B5 Sherman (Armed with a 105 mm gun and a POA-CWS-H5 flamethrower)
M46 Patton

 

Red Side

Iosif Stalin tank

M4A2E8 76 mm with HVSS Sherman Emcha (From the Soviets through Lend-Lease Act during World War II)
M5A1 Stuart (PVA)

T-34/85

 

Artillery

UN

155 mm Long Tom

BL 5.5 inch Medium Gun
M3 Howitzer

M7 Priest

M36 tank destroyer
M40 Gun Motor Carriage
M44 Self Propelled Howitzer
M101 howitzer
M114 155 mm howitzer
M115 howitzer
Ordnance QF 17-pounder (Aus.)

Ordnance QF 25 pounder

 

Red Side

45mm AT Gun
57mm AT Gun

6.2mm Gun

76 mm regimental gun M1943

122 mm howitzer M1938 (M-30)
152 mm howitzer-gun M1937 (ML-20)
ISU-152
Katyusha rocket launcher
SU-76
SU-100
 

Air Defense

UN

90 mm Gun M1/M2/M3

120 mm M1 gun

Bofors 40 mm gun

Hispano-Suiza HS.404

Oerlikon 20 mm cannon

QF 3.7-inch AA gun

M2 Browning

M16 Half-track

M19 Multiple Gun Motor Carriage

M45 Quadmount

 

Red Side

37 mm automatic air defense gun M1939 (61-K)

85 mm air defense gun M1939 (52-K)

100 mm air defense gun KS-19
122 mm gun M1931/37 (A-19)

DShK

ZPU

 

[ju8712124822]

17小时前,IcedVenom说:

I'm actually okay with however this chat ends up. Yes I was referring to Korean War but I don't mind from whichever era we get jets. Even carrier-based props are fine. Still don't think we need a Zero but it would be nice to get stuff like Seafires, Sea Fury, F8F and maybe even N1K2-J. I still wish we could get Sea Venom and Sea Hawk though. More modern stuff would be nice too and I'm glad we have what we do when it comes to F-14 and Hornet, but I would rather purchase the F-8 Crusader and A-6 Intruder when they come out, and I'm not even big on American aviation but those are just too cool. 

but before we get Korean War carrier aircraft
we need Korean map in 1950s

we have F-86 and MiG-15 but we don't have a map to fly

 

[bies]

Just now, ju8712124822 said:

but before we get Korean War carrier aircraft
we need Korean map in 1950s

we have F-86 and MiG-15 but we don't have a map to fly

 

Exactly. No map, close to no ground assets, no other flayable aircrafts, not even other AI enemies. 

Just two fantastically modeled Sabre and MiG-15 to fly over 1980s Caucasus, without any context or enviroment.

[IcedVenom]

5 hours ago, bies said:

 

Exactly. No map, close to no ground assets, no other flayable aircrafts, not even other AI enemies. 

Just two fantastically modeled Sabre and MiG-15 to fly over 1980s Caucasus, without any context or enviroment.

Yeah I hope we get either a Vietnam, Korea or Eastern Baltic map.