A-4C IA

[marcoscosta]

Please, add a IA model of A-4C in core game, just to give us the external model to use in multiplayer when someone don't have the mod.

[=Skywarp=]

I reinforce this, as some servers uses the Skyhawk

[Mars Exulte]

It takes like 15 minutes to download and install it into the proper directory. It's pretty much the expected norm in every game on the face of the Earth: if playing on a modded server/mission everybody needs the same mods.

 

See Arma, Homeworld, Il2, or literally ANY game. The importance of everyone having the same fileset is universal across all softwaredom.

 

Otherwise... don't play on modded servers. An AI model of a similar aircraft is still not the A-4 mod. It changes literally nothing. It's not the same files, not the same database entry, nothing. All files must match between all clients if those files add or subtract data (ie anything beside texture and sound mods).

Edited September 21, 2021 by Mars Exulte

[marcoscosta]

54 minutes ago, Mars Exulte said:

It takes like 15 minutes to download and install it into the proper directory. It's pretty much the expected norm in every game on the face of the Earth: if playing on a modded server/mission everybody needs the same mods.

 

See Arma, Homeworld, Il2, or literally ANY game. The importance of everyone having the same fileset is universal across all softwaredom.

 

Otherwise... don't play on modded servers. An AI model of a similar aircraft is still not the A-4 mod. It changes literally nothing. It's not the same files, not the same database entry, nothing. All files must match between all clients if those files add or subtract data (ie anything beside texture and sound mods).

 

 

I dont asking for mod integration, I asking for a IA A-4C, it's a classic airframe who help to do missions to play with Mig-21, F-5, Mig-19 etc... What's bad in add new IA planes? Its not about the mod only ffs... I know it's not the same plane or files, but I can modify the default skin to change the "SU-27" to A-4C and will look much more similar.

Edited September 21, 2021 by marcoscosta

[Mars Exulte]

31 minutes ago, marcoscosta said:

 

I dont asking for mod integration

  I know.

 

31 minutes ago, marcoscosta said:

What's bad in add new IA planes?

 Nothing.

 

31 minutes ago, marcoscosta said:

Its not about the mod only ffs...

 

  You said

 

2 hours ago, marcoscosta said:

Please, add a IA model of A-4C in core game, just to give us the external model to use in multiplayer when someone don't have the mod.

  That sounds pretty specifically about the mod. I was pointing out that adding another plane will have exactly zero influence on whether somebody will still have to download a completely separate entity. It takes about 10-30 seconds to Google the download link, depending on internet speed a few minutes to an hour to download it, and 10-30 seconds to move it to the appropriate directory.

 

  That's not exactly an insurmountable barrier to entry.

 

  

[Katsu]

+1 

[SkateZilla]

On 9/21/2021 at 6:33 PM, marcoscosta said:

 

I dont asking for mod integration, I asking for a IA A-4C, it's a classic airframe who help to do missions to play with Mig-21, F-5, Mig-19 etc... What's bad in add new IA planes? Its not about the mod only ffs... I know it's not the same plane or files, but I can modify the default skin to change the "SU-27" to A-4C and will look much more similar.

 

Indeed you are though, as your primary concern was MP Syncing with users running the mod.

your asking ED to integrate the A-4C MOD, so when in MP Using the MOD, users without will see them.

If ED was to integrate their own A-4C AI, it would likely have a different module ID, and therefor not show when a user is flying with a community mod regardless.
So you are indeed asking for ED to Integrate the mod.

 

Edited September 23, 2021 by SkateZilla

[NeedzWD40]

On 9/21/2021 at 3:47 PM, marcoscosta said:

just to give us the external model to use in multiplayer when someone don't have the mod.

 

Alternative proposal: for user mods like the A-4, use a generic aircraft, ground vehicle, ship, or object model in conjunction with the option to require or not require the mod. You can already remove the A-4 mod from the RequiredModules field through mission editing, which allows servers to host A-4 enabled missions for everyone, and anyone who doesn't have the mod just sees it as an Su-27. As they don't have the A-4 mod, the slots still show as A-4, but they cannot hop into them.

 

A generic aircraft, helicopter, tank, truck, ship, and building model for the game to fall back on for non-installed user mods (if allowed by server/mission) would be a decent middle ground.

[marcoscosta]

13 hours ago, SkateZilla said:

Indeed you are though, as your primary concern was MP Syncing with users running the mod.

your asking ED to integrate the A-4C MOD, so when in MP Using the MOD, users without will see them.

If ED was to integrate their own A-4C AI, it would likely have a different module ID, and therefor not show when a user is flying with a community mod regardless.
So you are indeed asking for ED to Integrate the mod.

 

 

Well, its a wishing list, so I have the right to wish a IA A-4C to make missions of Vietnã era, South Atlantic 1982 war, etc. Use with a mod its a plus. If the ED will put a new IA on game or not, well... its up to ED (almost impossible looking the state of IA F-4), but I can asking for.

[upyr1]

On 9/21/2021 at 3:47 PM, marcoscosta said:

Please, add a IA model of A-4C in core game, just to give us the external model to use in multiplayer when someone don't have the mod.

A better solution IMHO would be for Eagle to add a mod manager with a peer to peer downloader so that you can at least download the model if not the mod. There is more than one mod out there and they will have to do a fix for everything