Ability to Launch from ships

[1stBEAST]

after reading Apache over Lybia i hope that we will as well be able to lift of from ships (tarawa) for eample.

please include this ability to Launch from ships

would be nice to have it from day 1 but later in EA will do as well

[sirrah]

1 hour ago, 1stBEAST said:

after reading Apache over Lybia i hope that we will as well be able to lift of from ships (tarawa) for eample.

please include this ability to Launch from ships

would be nice to have it from day 1 but later in EA will do as well

 

Well, you can already do that in all 5 currently available helo modules, so.. I think it is safe to say that it will also be possible for the Apache

[Gierasimov]

36 minutes ago, sirrah said:

 

Well, you can already do that in all 5 currently available helo modules, so.. I think it is safe to say that it will also be possible for the Apache

We need that for the AI as well. Both, take off and landing. For all helicopters, we should be allowed to set AI to land at CVN / LHA boats. 

[sirrah]

4 minutes ago, Gierasimov said:

We need that for the AI as well. Both, take off and landing. For all helicopters, we should be allowed to set AI to land at CVN / LHA boats. 

Isn't that possible yet for all AI choppers?

I'm sure it is for some.. Haven't tried 'em all though

[Gierasimov]

1 minute ago, sirrah said:

Isn't that possible yet for all AI choppers?

I'm sure it is for some.. Haven't tried 'em all though

I know for sure UH-60A and OH-58D cannot be tasked with carrier landing. I am just saying we should enable all rotary wing aircraft to do that as per mission designer.

[1stBEAST]

actually it want possible for the hind to spawn it on the ships on day 1 but they patched it in later. it is just a friendly reminder. i have no doubt that this will be included sooner or later

[BaD CrC]

In principle, pretty much anything flat enough and above water will work for any helicopter. As we say: "runways are for beauty queens". 

[Resection]

On 9/28/2021 at 12:25 PM, 1stBEAST said:

after reading Apache over Lybia i hope that we will as well be able to lift of from ships (tarawa) for eample.

please include this ability to Launch from ships

would be nice to have it from day 1 but later in EA will do as well

I hope so too. I have nearly finished the book and I can’t wait to try and reproduce some of the missions described by Will Laidlaw.

[Draken35]

Well... it seems to me that BIGNEWY (or somebody from the team) read the book and created a mission/teaser/article/whatever from it... I'm sure the ability to launch for ships is in their radar...

[FalcoGer]

Actually helicopters are supposed to take off from the runway, or at least a taxiway. Not only do you get more lift and you can convert the forward movement into altitude, it also prevents debris on the tarmac flying everywhere when setting takeoff power, potentially injuring ground personnel and flinging stuff at parked aircraft.

[kgillers3]

18 hours ago, FalcoGer said:

Actually helicopters are supposed to take off from the runway, or at least a taxiway. Not only do you get more lift and you can convert the forward movement into altitude, it also prevents debris on the tarmac flying everywhere when setting takeoff power, potentially injuring ground personnel and flinging stuff at parked aircraft.

Not much tarmac around farp locations 

[FalcoGer]

6 hours ago, kgillers3 said:

Not much tarmac around farp locations 

I was talking in general, including civ traffic. Of course if there is no runway you can't take off from one.

[kgillers3]

4 hours ago, FalcoGer said:

I was talking in general, including civ traffic. Of course if there is no runway you can't take off from one.

I was just referencing your statement  “supposed to take off from a runway” or a taxi way. I just was always taught that the benefit of the helicopter is it’s ability to avoid traffic and go where you intend. There’s nothing wrong with it, super conservative, but I wouldn’t say I agree on a day to day basis. Obviously if I were super heavy I’d want a runway or surface to do a rolling take off obviously if I had skids I’d be looking for different avenues. But I think your statement is a little broad. Idk my opinion.

 

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by kgillers3
Minor grammar edit. Man I suck with grammar

[FalcoGer]

Even with skids you would take off from a runway or taxiway on airports. You can get a running start with ground effect and you still avoid flinging rocks at nearby people and parked aircraft.

[kgillers3]

20 hours ago, FalcoGer said:

Even with skids you would take off from a runway or taxiway on airports. You can get a running start with ground effect and you still avoid flinging rocks at nearby people and parked aircraft.

this all your opinion.

not regulatory and the amount of rotor wash directly correlates to how heavy you are and surface conditions.

what’s ironic about your statement is let’s say me which I can produce quite a bit of rotorwash it’s better if I move over sod 100ish feet and take off from there which will produce a slight breeze beyond 100ish feet away.  When I taxi due to the reduced ground resistance of concrete I find my self dumping collective to essentially coast next (if I’m going slightly up hill or heavy I can’t, I have to keep my taxi tq set) to small aircraft. Because I’m typically forced to come in closer proximity of other aircraft so my taxi power combined with the less surface resistance is more windy to the small plane peeps and personnel than me hovering at 5 feet in grass away. 
 

rocks and fod really, travel more freely over concrete and asphalt. 

It’s likely different in a much larger rotor wing aircraft but I don’t fly the big boys. 
 

the type of take off and landing is all about situation, I’m cool with taking the runway, but if there’s other traffic or it’s congested and I have the power, I’m going to avoid the flow of fixed wing traffic, avoid overflight of things that could be damaged at a low level and remain clear. 

again this is in the subject of a game so people can honestly do whatever the hell they’d like, but all I was saying was correcting your very broad over arching assumption that rotary are supposed land on hard surface areas (which is indeed better for power) (if there is fod like rocks they’re gonna travel farther)  (rotor wash effects are gonna travel farther) in my opinion and I don’t know if your faa or not but far aim helicopter traffic is to avoid the flow of traffic so if you’re doing the same procedures are you going with the flow traffic? I think icao states the same but I’m not looking it up. 
 

situation dependent at the end of the day. How heavy am I, what’s around, what are the surface conditions, what’s the hazards (both to others and myself), how much power do I have. 

Again I don’t care what you do, but it’s opinion. Just like mine is. And people can do what they’d like. Real life as long as you’re safe if you’re a pilot. 

 

Edited October 15, 2021 by kgillers3
Bad paraphrase

[FalcoGer]

It is not just my opinion. I have talked to an ATC guy and he said that GA doesn't appreciate helicopters taking off from the ramp and that he makes them take off from the taxiway at least. Real large helicopters are required to take the runway. Of course it is situation depended but at the end of the day aircraft, including helicopters, are supposed to take the runway generally. Exceptions may apply.

Literally the first search result for "should helicopters take the runway": https://pilotteacher.com/why-do-helicopters-takeoff-land-on-runways/
 

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Runways provide clear areas for safe acceleration & deceleration of helicopters to avoid hazardous flight parameters. Dust & debris is regularly cleared from runways preventing rotorwash damaging other aircraft & property. In low visibility conditions, the runway lighting system helps pilots see.

As a pilot, it all comes down to operational choice when deciding to use a runway or not. There are many factors that affect that decision and these factors can change on an hourly basis making the use of the runway preferable or not.

It then provides a list of reasons why a runway should be preferred. Or in short, yes you can take off vertically, but at the end of the day it's at ATC discretion and generally speaking you should use the runway if there is no good reason against that.

In DCS it doesn't matter, and in fact may be preferable to just take off because you want to get on with it and not hinder other people.

[kgillers3]

thanks for answering my question, you're not a helicopter pilot, i was curious.  Regardless of your opinion far/aim disagrees with you. 

Edited October 15, 2021 by kgillers3

[DD_Friar]

Its all very well taking off from a ship but does it have the ability to find the ship again when it is moving? Does the Apache have the ability to use TCAN? 

[Poptart]

There is no TCAN on the D model.